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23 Dec 2007, 2:18 am

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... and get the kids out of there?

We need lots and lots and lots of people and vehicles!


I'm in if you pay my airfare. :P


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I ain't putting up bail.


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23 Dec 2007, 2:20 am

Quatermass wrote:
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... and get the kids out of there?

We need lots and lots and lots of people and vehicles!


I'm in if you pay my airfare. :P


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I ain't putting up bail.


That's fine, Ana's paying bail. In fact, she's paying any expenses that may be incurred as a result of this thing.


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23 Dec 2007, 3:44 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Ana54 wrote:
... and get the kids out of there?

We need lots and lots and lots of people and vehicles!


I'm in if you pay my airfare. :P


:roll:


I ain't putting up bail.


That's fine, Ana's paying bail. In fact, she's paying any expenses that may be incurred as a result of this thing.


Hahahaha. Your a funny guy.



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23 Dec 2007, 4:01 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
In fact, she's paying any expenses that may be incurred as a result of this thing.


She can tell your relatives when you get a prison sentence then. :lol:

Psst, Kalister1: Who_Am_I's a woman. ;)



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23 Dec 2007, 5:34 am

Funny gal then.

Much apologies :lol:



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23 Dec 2007, 5:58 am

The way that institutions treat people... Its the 'normal' trying to eliminate the 'abnormal'.


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23 Dec 2007, 7:44 am

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Funny gal then.

Much apologies :lol:


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23 Dec 2007, 12:42 pm

who wants to be a ghost? ooh ooh i do :D



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23 Dec 2007, 1:40 pm

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All reports that are actually reliable seem to say they have those things fitted onto all kinds of people, not just severely aggressive or severely self-injurious, and they use them for such minor infractions as giving staff snotty looks or not solving computer problems fast enough or anything else.


If they do all that stuff you mention, then I agree it should be shut down. I think someone should get a young adult to go in undercover (posing as a troubled teen and live there for a little while) with a hidden video camera and record what goes on so the state will shut it down.



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23 Dec 2007, 1:45 pm

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The idea that they only use it in "Worst-case scenarios" is part of their propaganda.

I also blogged an entire description of a video freely available on the web, that detailed Why students praise the judge rotenberg center (that's a link). Just about as soon as I blogged it, they took the video down. That is basically how they condition both students and parents (students through the parents) to not complain and to say good things about the place.

All reports that are actually reliable seem to say they have those things fitted onto all kinds of people, not just severely aggressive or severely self-injurious, and they use them for such minor infractions as giving staff snotty looks or not solving computer problems fast enough or anything else. (This is what would be likely to happen, also, based on the Stanford Prison Experiment and similar things.)

As a person who's been to a lot of psych institutions that used looks to cover the hell that went on inside them ("we'll just paint the walls whenever blood gets on them and fix them the next day after they get broken..."), I was immediately alarmed by the appearance of the decor in the Judge Rotenberg Center which is like... if they spent that much money making it look pretty then it's got to be a hellhole in there, they were hiding something.

Anyway, they use those shocks for everything. It's also alarming to me that people who are the most at risk of being abused, which is to say those with severe problems, are also most at risk of being tortured in the name of treatment. It shouldn't be like that. And a lot of people get shocks even when it's clear that the shocks have no effect other than terrifying the person. One woman got extreme aversives (not shocks but other things) until the day she died, with her death and the reasons for it, themselves, being covered up by the JRC to begin with. All the signs she gave of being severely and life-threateningly ill... she was given aversives for every single sign she had.

It's a bad place.

And as someone who used to have severe self-injury and violence, I really don't like the idea that somehow someone like me would've deserved to be zapped if we were sent there. (I was sent to another "place of last resort," there are places like that all over the country and JRC is not telling the truth when they act like the only one. And I was physically abused at that place in the name of helping me, as well as at the place before it.)

Anyway, these places are horrible, and if we have international laws that would consider this a war crime if done to an enemy during a war, then surely doing this to innocent citizens of our own country (whether it's called "treatment" or not) ought to be pretty evil too?!?

Also, they don't really work even in the scenarios they're touted as "working" in, they just make someone dependent on the shocking device. (And by the way, this is not electroshock, it is electric shock, there's a difference.)


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23 Dec 2007, 1:46 pm

I suspect they look for things like that.

They also have video cameras all over the place there.


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23 Dec 2007, 3:29 pm

Anna is right. Unfortunately, her methods are wrong. There are ways to stop these crazy people, but it would require the federal government, and some very sharp lawyers, who are a little too interested in money to do anything for nothing.

I wouldn't worry, however. The article itself got at what is going to happen, which is to say, that a number of the higher functioning students are going to get together. Then there is going to be real bloodshed.

I'm not particularly in favor of that (federal courts are far more effective) but if they don't get involved, the next obious thing will occur. The people who are really at fault are the parents who allow their children to be subjected to that. If the states start to arrest them for child abuse, then some things might start to happen. If the government witholds funds from schools who use that facillity, that facillity will close pretty quickly.



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23 Dec 2007, 5:32 pm

SteelMaiden wrote:
The way that institutions treat people... Its the 'normal' trying to eliminate the 'abnormal'.

depends on the institution.
Am used to live in one, which specialised in adults with autism/ld with complex needs,they tried to teach even the most severely disabled some help skills.
They have closed that one down,and are closing every other LD institution down in the uk as regular residential homes in the community offer less segregation and more choice with same support and safety.


About original topic.
am think if anyone rushed into the JRC,they might end up shot by police.


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23 Dec 2007, 5:34 pm

SEP, as far as I'm concerned.


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27 Dec 2007, 1:57 pm

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who wants to be a ghost? ooh ooh i do :D


O.o.O.o.O.o.O


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27 Dec 2007, 2:22 pm

A few people have suggested that vigils of protest be organized through the various autistism grassroots organizations, with a website to be updated with developments and news. Organization really seems to be key, in writing the initial letter of protest, putting up a pettition, a website and coordinating between the organizations and press.


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