Why are Many with AS so passive and unwilling to fight back?

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07 Jan 2008, 8:32 pm

To say that standing up for yourself and physical violence coupled with lying and manipulation are the same thing is lunacy.

It's bad advice and a stupid attitude to have. Especially when you are basically saying it's okay to physically attack people who are simply giving you a hard time or make you feel bad.

You see, I'm not a pacifist. If someone attacks me physically, they'll most likely wake up in a hospital bed. If it comes to a fight for my life, I have no concerns about being absolutely brutal to defend myself. But you're telling people to go out and punch up fellow workers or people who are pushing you around. That's simply the behaviour of an a*hole, not someone sticking up for themself.

Do me a favour, if you do finally snap and bludgeon some poor loser with your fist, then fake a crying fit like you suggest, please, don't tell them you have Asperger's! It's bad enough having people thinking we're ret*d, without them thinking we're violent psychopaths as well.

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07 Jan 2008, 8:37 pm

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It seems they want to be trapped in the victim status. There are three important lessons to learn in life; to be a good fighter, to be melodramatic at the right times, and to be a good liar.


Because, that is dishonest. :wink: except the good fighter part.


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07 Jan 2008, 10:10 pm

Why don't I "fight back" physically?

Because I have no intention of spending the next 12 to 15 in prison for manslaughter. And when I fight (which, thankfully, is rarely), my rational mind is not in control. And the one in control doesn't want to stop until my opponent is no longer moving.

Why would I want that?


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07 Jan 2008, 10:14 pm

If someone started a fight with me, I'll certainly fight back.

However, I got to where I am today by generally treating people in such a way so that them starting a fight wasn't ever possible.

I'm happy to say I've never got in a fight with or was picked on by anyone.



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07 Jan 2008, 10:17 pm

Trust me, the last thing I am is passive. I went to a rough school district for a while and it was basically living hell. When I was younger, I learned Tae Kwon Do and quickly became good at it. So whenever I did have to fight (which was often, unfortunately), I was often able to win, despite how small I was. So I don't like having to fight, but I won't just let people harrass me or anything I like. I will not tolerate it.



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07 Jan 2008, 11:24 pm

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Yeah fight back physically and get arrested for it. Doesn't matter if you're the victim or not. Some laws are messed up. Especially a juvenile starts hitting you and you have no way to escape or get away because he has you trapped, push him away and you're arrested because the defendant was underage. That happened with my boyfriend when he was about 20 because his cousin was 17 even though he be 18 the next day but they still had to try him as juvenile because he was still 17. But luckily the charges were dropped when his teachers said what a great student he is.

You're not allowed to defend yourself against a juvenile to get them off you and you can't get them off assertively because they're the size of an adult.


What happens if a 16 year old tries to rape a 25 year old and he is able to hold her town and the lady isn't strong enough to push him away, she can't defend herself or she get charged for it because the kid is underage. But when juveniles kill grownups or rape them, they get charged for it, but when grown ups defend themselves against them, they get charged for it instead. Something needs to be done about that. Change the law about it. Grownups will have rights to defend themselves if the juvenile is the size of an adult. Yes children can be bigger than some adults. I am bigger than some adults and have been since I was 12 years old. I was taller and bigger and some grow ups are petite and small meaning thinner than me. My 17 year old brother is bigger than me. Has been since he was 12. He's a size of a man, not a boy.

I don't have problems with strangers. I have never been stopped and get beat up or picked on.


The best way to deal with younger ones is to go against them in court. The court will believe you over them due to personal life experiences. You won't get arrested for fighting physically IF no authorities are alerted. Remember, DO NOT ADMIT TO ANYTHING THAT WILL SEND YOU INTO HOT WATER. If possible ONLY GO INTO DETAIL AND GREATLY EXAGGERATE WHAT THE PERSON HAS DONE TO YOU. Learn how to cry on cue; learn how to instantly sob in agony; and know how to portray the fact you were in great danger. I am not suggesting you physically fight over trivial matters but in instances where self defense is needed. If your brother tries to abuse you again, I would suggest calling the police.



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07 Jan 2008, 11:27 pm

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Trust me, the last thing I am is passive. I went to a rough school district for a while and it was basically living hell. When I was younger, I learned Tae Kwon Do and quickly became good at it. So whenever I did have to fight (which was often, unfortunately), I was often able to win, despite how small I was. So I don't like having to fight, but I won't just let people harrass me or anything I like. I will not tolerate it.

EXACTLY. One should only fight in self-defense. You handled it perfectly well.



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07 Jan 2008, 11:29 pm

im a doormat with strangers but boy am i a force not to be messed with at home!


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07 Jan 2008, 11:35 pm

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To say that standing up for yourself and physical violence coupled with lying and manipulation are the same thing is lunacy.

It's bad advice and a stupid attitude to have. Especially when you are basically saying it's okay to physically attack people who are simply giving you a hard time or make you feel bad.

You see, I'm not a pacifist. If someone attacks me physically, they'll most likely wake up in a hospital bed. If it comes to a fight for my life, I have no concerns about being absolutely brutal to defend myself. But you're telling people to go out and punch up fellow workers or people who are pushing you around. That's simply the behaviour of an a*hole, not someone sticking up for themself.

Do me a favour, if you do finally snap and bludgeon some poor loser with your fist, then fake a crying fit like you suggest, please, don't tell them you have Asperger's! It's bad enough having people thinking we're ret*d, without them thinking we're violent psychopaths as well.

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Sorry for giving you such an impression; I should have been more clear to you. I was speaking about abusive situations that would continue no matter what intervention is taken. If someone VERBALLY attacks me; I will do the same. Make a cutting remark about the perp's mother or father and you will send him through the roof in anger. Insult what the person loves and adores.



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07 Jan 2008, 11:43 pm

purplesky, takes a bigger person to walk away, than provoke things...

You know that old say Sticks and stones may break my bones (but words will never hurt me).

They is a defence to self-defence, than provoking it, then calling it self-defence



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08 Jan 2008, 12:08 am

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You know that old say Sticks and stones may break my bones (but words will never hurt me).


I do however disagree with this saying. Words hurt every bit as much as punches.

I might not have gotten in many fights when I was younger, but I did gain a reputation as a person who stabbed people with pencils if you pushed me too far . . .


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08 Jan 2008, 12:13 am

The process of name-calling is typically based upon feeling not OK, and name-callers are trying to make themselves feel more powerful by using the process. If I call you a name and get you upset, then I temporarily feel more powerful because I had a powerful effect upon you. My self-esteem rises at your expense. I project my unhappiness on to you and you take it on if you allow yourself to be upset. If you do not get upset at my attempt, then I cannot dump my original unhappiness on you. Then I am left not only with my failure to successfully dump it on you but also with my original unhappiness to boot. Thus, if you're successful at being unbothered by my words, then I wind up more unhappy; and I'll probably quickly stop those words. This is a key element to understand, that name-callers will usually feel worse if you do not react to their name-calling. They will therefore be much quicker to stop such behavior than if you get visibly upset.

* Reason I was not bullied as much as others is the fact I ignored them & made them feel I was looking straight through them, & also If a fight did break out I defended myself but I did not provoke it, also it only happened in the first year...

taijutsu is good to learn use the other guys strength against him...



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08 Jan 2008, 12:21 am

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The process of name-calling is typically based upon feeling not OK, and name-callers are trying to make themselves feel more powerful by using the process. If I call you a name and get you upset, then I temporarily feel more powerful because I had a powerful effect upon you. My self-esteem rises at your expense. I project my unhappiness on to you and you take it on if you allow yourself to be upset. If you do not get upset at my attempt, then I cannot dump my original unhappiness on you. Then I am left not only with my failure to successfully dump it on you but also with my original unhappiness to boot. Thus, if you're successful at being unbothered by my words, then I wind up more unhappy; and I'll probably quickly stop those words. This is a key element to understand, that name-callers will usually feel worse if you do not react to their name-calling. They will therefore be much quicker to stop such behavior than if you get visibly upset.


My experience has been more along the lines of, if you don't react to name calling, then I'll just hit you instead.


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08 Jan 2008, 12:29 am

I agree people always tell you to ignore it and they will stop. But it only makes them worse.


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08 Jan 2008, 12:33 am

Incidentally, Purplesky, how old are you?



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08 Jan 2008, 12:36 am

Yes but then you get the upper hand without them getting what they want from the name calling, then they get they arse kicked... Would you want to come back for more...