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25 Jan 2008, 1:14 am

Right, let me get this straight...

1. You're fine. There's no problem.

2. If you want to fix this problem, you can read the Bible.

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If she's right, I'd hate to think how much more Aspie I'd be if I hadn't spent 5 years in Sunday school, I wouldn't be able to function at all, most likely. :lol:


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25 Jan 2008, 1:15 am

Mw99 wrote:
Even though my mom denies I have a pathological problem, she insists I can get better if I read the Bible. What if my mom is right?


I already tried that. It didn't work. It actually made it worse because some passages encourage you to be more autistic.



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25 Jan 2008, 1:22 am

Some of us would rather be more autistic...


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25 Jan 2008, 4:27 am

Now, that's interesting. In my first year of university, I tried to read the Bible. I also wanted to make friends so I was being really sociable and went out a lot. It must have been the Bible! :mrgreen:
Unfortunately, after a few weeks I became my normal self and started avoiding people. Oh well, so the Bible didn't do much for me. Maybe I should try the Qur'an.



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25 Jan 2008, 5:04 am

Your mom is wrong. No book can help you be "cured". and AS is NOT Curable. especially not by some book thats full of lies and contradictions.



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25 Jan 2008, 5:13 am

gbollard wrote:
12:6 “‘When 11 the days of her purification are completed for a son or for a daughter, she must bring a one year old lamb 12 for a burnt offering 13 and a young pigeon or turtledove for a sin offering14 to the entrance of the Meeting Tent, to the priest. 12:7 The priest 15 is to present it before the Lord and make atonement 16 on her behalf, and she will be clean17 from her flow of blood.


Or, she could just have a bath.

Poor women in those days, the amount of hassle they would have gone through, trying to acquire all those turtledoves and sheep when they have just given birth.


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25 Jan 2008, 5:27 am

Yep ... trying to catch turtledoves is a pain.

I was wondering what the hell a turtledove was (duh... didnt figure on it being a dove of some kind :scratch: )

anyway they look like this - and you usually get two on the second day of Christmas (if you're pregnant, you should try to keep at least one for the birth - that way you only have to find the sheep).

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25 Jan 2008, 5:46 am

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Yep ... trying to catch turtledoves is a pain.

I was wondering what the hell a turtledove was (duh... didnt figure on it being a dove of some kind :scratch: )


Lol.. I didnt know what a turtledove was either. I think the white ones are lovely...

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25 Jan 2008, 7:25 am

I don't know what reading the bible might do.

I think it's important not to see "autism" as one monolithic condition. it is made of several different/distinct and actually quite separate areas of functioning, some of which often occur together, but some of which may be susceptible to cognitive approaches.

I am currently zigzagging in and out of belief in god as an "efficient first cause", as a partial remedy for some aspects of those characteristics included in "aspergers", for instance that i have an almost insatiable need to attribute agency and cause to everything i encounter, ( a byproduct of development in cognitive functions in human brains over last 50,000 years, which have high survival value, but....) ; if i canNOT satisfactorily assign agency etc, i tend to experience the said thing/event/data as malevolent/threatening/anxiety-inducing murk, a perception which keeps me in permanent fight or flight mode, which is exhausting, and may have something to do with why i stay away from so much, including people, murk supreme!!

When i manage to get handle on belief in god, to believe in fact, i suddenly realise how my life has been very largely like that of lone scout in enemy territory, constantly trying to interpret data ( every single "sound", "smell","movement", etc) all around me. It has made me very jittery. When i manage the belief ( in god) i suddenly feel as if i've been rescued, or have reached safe ground or something, which induces tears of relief and gratitude, which is all a bit weird.

But naturally i am dithering; because i don't like admitting weakness for one thing, and because the thought that an overactive/"overgrown" cognitive function of seeking and attributing agency and cause all the time might be usefully "treated" with religion, with its unfortunate side effects, eg; tendency to want to convert everybody else to same way of thinking cos otherwise feel feeble, irrational and idiotic, is slightly offputting. Even worrying.

However the feeling of being suddenly relieved of some at least of the burden of trying to understand and interpret everything all the time, ( which i love doing, and do not want to stop doing either; it's just the times i cannot do it "enough" to find a satisfactory final explanation that are so wearing! ) is powerful stuff, which intend to investigate further.

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25 Jan 2008, 8:00 am

Honestly, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

EVER.

The Bible is FICTION. A very influential piece of fiction (usually in a detrimental way), but fiction nonetheless. If you got cancer, would you rather see an oncologist or sit reading Nineteen Eighty-Four? If it was diabetes that was your problem, how much use do you think The Catcher In The Rye would be?

Put that stupid Bible in the bin where it belongs and think for yourself. THINK! Don't be a sheep!



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25 Jan 2008, 9:09 am

you can think and read the bible. some of best and greatest thinkers of western civilisation have read the bible. To think that reading bible means are sheep is sheeplike.

Your ref to cancer for instance, which is apparently very often linked to repression of emotions, a certain state of the parasympathetic (?) nervous system, etc, just shows how it is not only the doctor and medicine which has an effect on health. What if religion were a sort of cognitive therapy? ( which does not necessarily have to have negative side effects, depending on the administration of it.)

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25 Jan 2008, 12:46 pm

Reading the Bible will not cure AS, sorry. I've been reading the Bible for over 15 years, I even went to College to study it. The Bible has it's uses. Curing AS isn't one of them. And in case you wondering, my mother has tried, and continues to try, to convince me the same thing, that reading the bible, and getting biblical counseling with somehow cure AS. I actually tried the Biblical Counseling at her church. After the first session, they got tired of arguing with someone who knew what they were trying to preach from better than they did though :lol:



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25 Jan 2008, 1:28 pm

Maybe your mom and my ex husband should get together. He thinks that he's cured my son of Asperger's because of getting involved with the cult church that they attend. My son will tell you that he's still AS and that he hates the whole idea of organized religion even more than ever now. Religion doesn't cure anything. There's still adultery, there's still murder, there's still multiple violations of the ten commandments every day, and human kind still exists.


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25 Jan 2008, 1:40 pm

Christians think reading the bible will cure anything. I get the same crap from my Jehovah's Witness mother. My relationships will magically improve and my whole life will suddenly 'sunny up' if I live according to God's word. Never mind the fact that I was raised in her religion for several years and read close to the entire bible. Maybe if I just do it again and again until it starts working (or I become delusional enough to believe)... :roll:


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25 Jan 2008, 1:42 pm

I don't think it would cure AS, but it would give some people a different view on it.


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25 Jan 2008, 1:52 pm

Reading the bible won't cure AS,but the chances are it might help people to accept AS,to
live with its challenges and even appreciate any of its plus points.
My favourite passage is from 1 Corinthians,chapter 13 which ends
'For now we see through a glass,darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part ;
but then shall I know even as also I am known.
And now abideth faith,hope,love,these three ; but the greatest of these is love'


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