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It's not judgmental. Judgmental would be to say that religious people are bad people, which I didn't say or even think. When religious people say that non-religious people will go to hell or need to be saved, however, they are implying that they believe non-religious people are bad people, which is judgmental. Yes, the judgment comes from dogmatic faith, but that doesn't justify it. In fact, it only proves that dogmatic faith is bad. This, mind you, does not mean that religious people are bad. It merely means that they are misguided (which they have the right to be) and that religion is a concept I have all the bloody right to speak up against.
I don't judge people. I simply state my opinion about a ridiculous concept.
Truth isn't offensive. If anyone is offended by it, it's their own problem. A problem I'm not going to try to "save" them from, as it's none of my bloody business what balderdash other people want to believe in.


The train is a real physical object and can clearly be seen. You can't say the same about Hell or God or whatever it's supposed to symbolize. Your metaphor is flawed.


I suppose I can say the exact same thing then.

Actually, to be judgemental would be to make judgements. Something you did do. To say that religious people are bad people would be to make a judgement that is probably more offensive than the ones you made, but it is not the dividing line between "judgemental" and "non-judgemental."



Here, you are being judgemental. This means that you are forming an opinion, just to clarify. Your opinion is that, in general, when religious people say that non-religious people will go to hell or need to be saved, they are implying that non-religious people are "bad."

I have no idea if religious people really think non-religious people are bad people. My guess is that it varies from person to person.

What I do know is that when most Christians say that non-religious person X will go to hell, they are saying that non-religious person X is going to hell for not accepting Jesus Christ as his savior or whatever. Not for being a bad person.

Never force religion onto people.

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And whoever thinks evolution isn't a fact.... Please

well, vince in stating that the 'word of God is complete and utter nonsense' may not be judgemental, but it is very belittling to someone to say what they believe in is a 'ridiculous' concept. Just because you believe that you are stating a fact does not mean it is 'true'. There are things we do not know in this world nor can the existence of God be proved or disproved. Why does science necessarily fly in the face of God anyways? Just because there is a sect of people that share a disbelief of evolution doesnt mean they are right either. The key to convincing people of either way is not to be smug or self righteous about it. Christians and athiests alike.. I respect your beliefs even if i disagree. I could probably say little to change your beliefs so if i believe in God then i trust God to take care of it. See how that works?
Fukai...
Really, if a person wants to share God with someone, they should get involved in their lives and become friends with them. Let your beliefs be known but not forced. Let your actions and your behavior be the greatest advertisement. I do believe in God, and it works well with aspie behavior. I have lots of athiestic friends and we are friends because we respect each others beliefs. In a Christian perspective, Live by the law of love.... that is loving God, and loving your neighbor as yourself. Do good in God's name and be respectful of others.

Watch that movie. Just because someone disagrees vehemently with you,that is not an argument against ours, its simply a logic fallacy called an appeal to emotion. Why does religion get a free ride? Anything that is such complete nonsense should be shown to be such. John Stuart Mill, a utilitarian, thought that all ideas should be debated out in the open. This allows the bad ideas to be shown for what they really are; farces. Religion needs to be shown for what it really is, a bad idea.

Also, science uses empirical evidence to come to a conclusion. Religion has NO such evidence, NONE AT ALL. This is why many scientists say its impossible to be a Christian and a scientist. Very few of them are. The ones that are seem to have just sort of cordoned off their religion from their usual scientific rigor, giving it a sort of free ride. Why? There are multiple answers, but I tend to side with the famous French philosopher, Sartre, when saying they just like to live in "Bad Faith" (A philosophical concept I rather not get into, look it up on Wikipedia)

The difference between evolution and religion, is that there are MOUNTAINS of evidence for evolution. The theory of evolution has stood up to scientific rigors over a myriad of testing, and for more than a hundred years. Religion, on the other hand, is just a failed hypothesis; even the existence of Jesus Christ is being called into question. If you can prove, without using any logic fallacies, empirically that God exists, you will convince me to become whatever religion you wish. The evidence against a Judeo-Christian god is staggering, so if you wish to use some sort of personal God, it would probably be easier.

Also, if you want to use your mode of logic (can't be proven, or disproven). You can't prove or disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or a celestial tea pot. Does that mean its not hilarious if you actually believe in it? Well, I say that you can't prove that I am secretly Jesus Christ II, and that makes it true! See the fallacy in that assertion?

You would do good to learn about epistemology, and the nature of belief versus thinking. We think evolution is true, we don't believe it is. All the evidence points to it. In fact, believing something is true, if it has been proven false, is an invitation to madness.

Your argument against that might be you KNOW god exists, because you have personally experienced him! However, its well known the human mind makes fantasies all time. Anecdotal evidence is in no way even close to empirical evidence.

Now, you might say the nature of God falls outside the realm of science. Well, how so? Science seeks out to explain the nature of the Universe; explaining the nature of a God would fall well within that.

Also, the nature of judgment is a tricky one. Sartre, the famous French philosopher I used back there, said in making any choice, you choose for everyone else. You picked what is best for you. A religious choice is something you would prefer as a universal; in making a choice you had to have made a judgment. You pass judgment on all other choices as inferior. So, the argument against "Who is judging who" is a very tricky philosophical question that I will not delve into. Suffice to keep the argument over the existence of God, and how it is a idiocy.

As you can see, I am probably what you would call a post modernist.

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I once supervised a woman, who greeted me every morning, "You know you're going to hell, don't you?". I always politely offered to save her a seat by the fire....

I am planted firmly in my Roman Catholic beliefs.

Every true faith is infallible.
It beforms what the believing person hopes to find in it,
but it does not offer the least support for the establishing of an objective truth.

- Friedrich Nietzsche

I didn't ask for your opinion.

We often refuse to accept an idea merely because the tone of voice in which it has been expressed is unsympathetic to us.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Let's not get into semantics, but I haven't made one moral or personal judgment about anyone. And I haven't said anything untrue, unfair, unjust, unfounded or biased.


I never said all religious people. And yes, I form opinions. But not without reason.


If God sends good people to hell, what does that make Him? Unfair. Unjust. And according to most Christians, God is infallable, fair and just. So either there's a major contradiction in there or they're implying that atheists are evil by saying that God will make us burn forever if we don't accept him. And I'm sure as the non-existence of hell not gonna just stand by and quietly smile when people imply that I'm evil just for using my brain. As a wise man once said: F**k that!

It is for God I live for there is no point in living for anything else. The Christian bible is filled with amazing truth. I have one everywhere I go. The institution that is the church, however, has been corrupted by man. I'll certainly get flamed on this, since this thread is certainly tilted in one direction, but please: do not throw out the baby (Christianity) with the bathwater (the church that has become twisted by man).

Well, considering the Bible was written by men, who you say are corruptible. What then? Also, attacking the church is far too easy; I'm attacking Christianity. There are some deplorable things in the Bible. Should we kill anyone who works on the Sabbath, as did some especially pious children in one verse? What about give my daughter over to be raped, as one man did?

And the Bible contradicts itself in multiple places, and large parts of it have been proven untrue, like the great flood that Noah is so famous to have survived. Yes, the Nile did flood one year, killing many people in the region, but no world wide flood has EVER happened.

"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. " (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property." Exodus 21:20-21 NAB

"Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock." Psalms 137:9 NAB

"Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood." (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."
(Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

" Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly. For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve. And it was the woman, not Adam, who was deceived by Satan, and sin was the result. But women will be saved through childbearing and by continuing to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty"


So you support the beating slaves? And slavery in itself? How dare the Bible be called the "good book". What a laughable thing! If you call yourself a Christian, and your a woman, you automatically must be subordinate to me, yes? Your bible says so! Do you just pick and choose? Well then , I guess your good book would say your going to hell, no?

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It's also filled with other stuff. I've read a whole bunch of it. It only strengthened my lack of faith. I'm planning to read the rest some day just for the hell of it. I'm curious; You call yourself a Christian. Have you actually ever read the whole Bible from cover to cover?

Personally, I just believe that all religions' gods are the same god with different names.