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05 Feb 2008, 4:20 pm

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Why not ask formerly autistic persons who have already been cured? There are lots of them out there.

Since there is no cure for autism, please tell me where these "formerly autistic persons" are.


If you use circular logic and conclude that everyone who has been cured was never really autistic to begin with, then you will never find any.


I'm curious to know what cured them. Would you point us in the direction of the cure?



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05 Feb 2008, 5:12 pm

k96822 wrote:
zendell wrote:
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zendell wrote:
Why not ask formerly autistic persons who have already been cured? There are lots of them out there.

Since there is no cure for autism, please tell me where these "formerly autistic persons" are.


If you use circular logic and conclude that everyone who has been cured was never really autistic to begin with, then you will never find any.


I'm curious to know what cured them. Would you point us in the direction of the cure?


http://www.autismrecoveryvideos.org/

"Autism Recovery Videos documents the recoveries from autism and chronic illnesses. Through biomedical intervention, such as methylcobalamin B12, and dietary interventions, children can recover from autism and pervasive developmental disorders. Adults can recover from life-long afflictions such as eczema and fibromyalgia."

Common treatments used in the videos I watched were gfcf diet, probiotics, chelation, anti-virals, and anti-fungals. These treatments are also use to treat non-autistics with neurological conditions such as CFS and to treat FM and eczema and a few others. Parents of autistics with "incurable" chronic diseases claimed to have recovered with the same treatments they gave their autistic children.



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05 Feb 2008, 5:30 pm

Those are treatments and therapies, not cures.



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05 Feb 2008, 5:46 pm

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Those are treatments and therapies, not cures.


Autism is diagnosed based on symptoms. They recovered enough that they not longer meet the criteria for an autism diagnosis. They still have autistic traits but so do many NTs. I think its normal to have a few autistic traits. Its part of the normal variance in personalities.



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05 Feb 2008, 5:55 pm

Regardless, they still have the genetic qualities of autism. They may have the ability to function in an NT world, but in their core, they are still autistic.

I'm the same way as that... I was put through some intensive therapy at a young age. I can now communicate close to the NT level, live independently, and if I were tested today, I probably wouldn't be diagnosed. If I didn't go through therapy then, I may have been institutionalized at this point. However. I still consider myself part of the autistic spectrum. My brain is still wired in the style of the autistic. I fully expect any theoretical children I could end up having to have autistic qualities.

Therapies and treatments are perfectly fine as long as they don't cause any physical or psychological damage to the autistic. The term "cure" is reserved for a radical genetic alteration that changes the person at their core. That is what I'm opposed to (and what most of the anti-cure crowd are opposed to)...



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05 Feb 2008, 6:00 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
Regardless, they still have the genetic qualities of autism. They may have the ability to function in an NT world, but in their core, they are still autistic.

I'm the same way as that... I was put through some intensive therapy at a young age. I can now communicate close to the NT level, live independently, and if I were tested today, I probably wouldn't be diagnosed. If I didn't go through therapy then, I may have been institutionalized at this point. However. I still consider myself part of the autistic spectrum. My brain is still wired in the style of the autistic. I fully expect any theoretical children I could end up having to have autistic qualities.

Therapies and treatments are perfectly fine as long as they don't cause any physical or psychological damage to the autistic. The term "cure" is reserved for a radical genetic alteration that changes the person at their core. That is what I'm opposed to (and what most of the anti-cure crowd are opposed to)...


I'm opposed to genetic alteration also. I just believe in treating symptoms that people don't like, regardless of whether the person is AS or NT.



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05 Feb 2008, 6:30 pm

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I just believe in treating symptoms that people don't like, regardless of whether the person is AS or NT.

As do I.

But there is no proven and effective way of doing this.


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05 Feb 2008, 6:33 pm

Yes , I would.



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05 Feb 2008, 7:04 pm

beau99 wrote:
zendell wrote:
I just believe in treating symptoms that people don't like, regardless of whether the person is AS or NT.

As do I.

But there is no proven and effective way of doing this.


There's no scientifically proven way of doing this but that doesn't mean there aren't effective ways. People were able to cure stomach ulcers decades before there was enough research to conclusively prove that h. pylori causes ulcers and could be cured with antibiotics. I think there's enough evidence to try some treatments and I don't want to wait for conclusive proof before I try them and I'm sure other autistics feel the same way.



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05 Feb 2008, 9:07 pm

beau99 wrote:
zendell wrote:
I just believe in treating symptoms that people don't like, regardless of whether the person is AS or NT.

As do I.

But there is no proven and effective way of doing this.

The only issue is that each person requires something different to treat their symptoms...