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16 Apr 2008, 10:50 pm

I don't know if this is on topic or not, but I CAN'T interpret literature or hiden meaning in a story, whatever, by myself. I usually understand what happened in the stroy, but why does there always have to be a deeper meaning? It really bothers me that a story can't just have a plot, no subliminal message.



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16 Apr 2008, 11:02 pm

This thread is quite useless considering just about everyone in the world thinks they're logical when in reality someone else might look at them and think they lack any logic at all..



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17 Apr 2008, 2:57 am

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Some symptoms of AS as using terms literal and judging things in a logical way.

Example:I find that I really dislike people that walk slow. It has no purpose because the act of walking is to get from point A to point B. There are exceptions like hiking, or reviewing a scenery, but that is more stoping then walking slow.
Constant talking on the cell phones. There is very little, excluding emergencies, when something can't wait until a later time.
Stupid jokes. Some people think I don't get it, but I do, its a joke thats not funny, hence forth it isn't a joke, hence no reason to laugh or giggle.


Oh my God. I hate when people say something "funny" and they just look at me like I should laugh. After a minute they are like "Why don't you ever laugh?"

It's just not funny. I don't tell them that but it's true.



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17 Apr 2008, 2:59 am

I'd say sometimes I am logical and then sometimes I get confused on the simplest things.



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17 Apr 2008, 4:48 am

No idea but I do look at some things and think they are completely illogical; that doesn't prove that I am logical myself only that someone is doing something in a way that I wouldn't choose to do it.



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17 Apr 2008, 10:45 am

DanteRF wrote:
Some symptoms of AS as using terms literal and judging things in a logical way.



I am impossible to watch television with because i am always analysing the claims of the ads. yes i know, i shouldn't take them seriously. but i can't help it. i had advertisements. and i take their claims literally so they obviously seem completely ridiculous and they outrage me!



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17 Apr 2008, 12:32 pm

z0rp wrote:
This thread is quite useless considering just about everyone in the world thinks they're logical when in reality someone else might look at them and think they lack any logic at all..


Actually, we had a discussion about logic versus emotion in school a few days ago, and about half the class claimed that emotion was preferable to logic, and that they trusted emotions more. And I do know people that don't really believe in logic at all. So it's not like everyone think of themselves as logical, even if it may be more common nowdays.



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17 Apr 2008, 12:43 pm

I have the paradox of being both logical and at the same time...irrational....



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17 Apr 2008, 2:56 pm

Wow this is an interesting post.

I'd describe myself as logical and I too walk very fast.

Also, I review the route I am taking and try to walk it in a perfect straight line, ie the shortest route like an aircraft.

Sometimes I cross the road diagonally so that I can still walk in the direction of the road whilst getting to the other side.



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17 Apr 2008, 4:19 pm

I am impossible to watch television with because i am always analysing the claims of the ads. yes i know, i shouldn't take them seriously. but i can't help it. i had advertisements. and i take their claims literally so they obviously seem completely ridiculous and they outrage me![/quote]

Same here. I contantly analyze and look for falicies in Commercials and Shows. It has gotten to the point where people turn the show off. Then again, my mom has the uncanny talent for watcching the first 5 min of any show and then telling you the rest of teh show w/o ever seeing it. Shes pretty accurate too.

*watching Star wars, death star blows up*

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17 Apr 2008, 4:46 pm

musicara wrote:
I don't know if this is on topic or not, but I CAN'T interpret literature or hiden meaning in a story, whatever, by myself. I usually understand what happened in the stroy, but why does there always have to be a deeper meaning? It really bothers me that a story can't just have a plot, no subliminal message.


That is why I like Science Fiction literature, the deeper meaning tends to be more obvious.


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18 Apr 2008, 2:20 am

IsotropicManifold wrote:
I am impossible to watch television with because i am always analysing the claims of the ads. yes i know, i shouldn't take them seriously. but i can't help it. i had advertisements. and i take their claims literally so they obviously seem completely ridiculous and they outrage me!


Me too! My family tells me to stop being so critical about the ads. I'll stop being critical when they stop being ridiculous. I hate how the ad hardly ever has anything to do with the product, so the advertisers create an outlandishly irrelevant segue to connect it with the product. I wish they'd just admit that the product isn't the most important thing in the world.

I'm pretty logical, but I also understand that logic is not the only wa of thinking that exists, and you can arrive at truth through illogical means. Some things don't make logical sense but are still true. Take the bumblebee paradox for example. Also, some forms of logic are flawed, and paradoxes emerge. In these cases it is foolish to follow the logical path.

musicara wrote:
I don't know if this is on topic or not, but I CAN'T interpret literature or hiden meaning in a story, whatever, by myself. I usually understand what happened in the stroy, but why does there always have to be a deeper meaning? It really bothers me that a story can't just have a plot, no subliminal message.


I think this is mostly about interpretation. You could create a completely meaningless movie where there are people yelling and hitting pieces of meat with hammers and the average audience would take all kinds of messages from it. I think aspies would just see it as angry people hitting meat.



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18 Apr 2008, 2:11 pm

Speaking of ridiculous adds, I heard one on the radio this morning about hamburger helper. Just one pound of hamburger meat, a pan, and everyone's happy. Everyone's shouting, "We're a happy family!" Now that is absurd. Here's what really happens. Parents call kids for dinner. One of the kids complains that it's too hot, and asks for an ice cube. Then he wants parmesan cheese on it. The other one wants peanut butter and jelly. Parents have to shout again, because the third one won't get off the computer game and come eat. He's now mad. Brother and sister start fighting about something random. and on, and on, and on. But I guess that'd make a lousy commercial. Sure it's good food, but do people actually believe that crap?



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18 Apr 2008, 3:07 pm

z0rp wrote:
This thread is quite useless considering just about everyone in the world thinks they're logical when in reality someone else might look at them and think they lack any logic at all..
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Wrong and I said 'very' logical. And just because more might think that, which I doubt they do doesn't make it true.
Casually talking on the phone for more then 10 minutes is illogical. Very logical is like Mr. Spock. I highly doubt people compare themselves to it



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18 Apr 2008, 4:04 pm

DanteRF wrote:
z0rp wrote:
This thread is quite useless considering just about everyone in the world thinks they're logical when in reality someone else might look at them and think they lack any logic at all..
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Wrong and I said 'very' logical. And just because more might think that, which I doubt they do doesn't make it true.
Casually talking on the phone for more then 10 minutes is illogical. Very logical is like Mr. Spock. I highly doubt people compare themselves to it


In that case could you, logically, explain why after talking casually on the phone for exactly ten minutes it turns into an illogical action? What is the significance of that tenth minute?



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18 Apr 2008, 4:27 pm

musicara wrote:
I don't know if this is on topic or not, but I CAN'T interpret literature or hiden meaning in a story, whatever, by myself. I usually understand what happened in the stroy, but why does there always have to be a deeper meaning? It really bothers me that a story can't just have a plot, no subliminal message.

In some case you can do some suppositions about the thoughts of the author, in some case imagine the "internal state" of the characters. But "deep" interpretation is more a quirk of literators/"humanitarians" than something real. If you need this for essays and don't want to invent it, just use some common viewpoints :)

SquishypuffDave wrote:
I think this is mostly about interpretation. You could create a completely meaningless movie where there are people yelling and hitting pieces of meat with hammers and the average audience would take all kinds of messages from it.

Another example is "black square" of Malevich - just black square, but a lot of "empty" talks about hidden sense :)

I think, that I'm mostly logical, but still consider emotions as very nice addition to logical style of thinking.