How good are you at picking ulterior motives?

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24 Apr 2008, 11:27 am

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Being able to see lies and being able to know someone's emotions seem to be two very different things.


It's a body language thing. Emotions are mostly in the face, and lying is mostly in the body. The problem with facial features is that people learn from childhood how to control the way their faces look. Not so much with their bodies... If you have the time (and opportunity without freaking anyone out) take a look at people talking. How they sit is more indicative of how they are really feeling than how their faces look.



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24 Apr 2008, 11:29 am

wait, you mean people can have ulterior motives?? O_O
*world comes crashing down*


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24 Apr 2008, 11:52 am

I am often horribly good at it about people relating to other people, but tend to get hopelessly confused when it's someone doing it in relation to me.

I have surprised people by the accuracy of my dissection of someone else's hidden motivations/purposes, but also by how unable I am to see it when it's me involved. And i only notice after i have got in a real muddle and tangle and somehow the other person often comes out seeming like the reasonable one because i'll have lost my rag, or got tearful, or resorted to "childish" avoidance strategies in order to cope.

And sometimes I think it does look like paranoia/over-sensitivity, and that is really difficult to deal with. I am so afraid of being mistaken, and "imagining" things. ( which i have been accused of) .

( Small digression on subject of not being believed: :) i heard an animal running around/thumping about on the floorboards in the attic the other night, and was way too alarmed to look myself. When i told the papa of my son, in the same room at the time, he thought i was imagining things, he had heard nothing, but it turned out i was right; two cats had got in through the open skylight and were chasing each other up there. He admitted to not having believed me. I admitted to almost not having believed myself, despite clearly hearing the soft thumps, because i have got so used to being told that i'm imagining things).

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24 Apr 2008, 11:59 am

I"m exactly the same way; I can pick out when someone is lying, unless it's me being lied to.


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24 Apr 2008, 12:27 pm

I'm with Specter on this one. This is a consious decision on my part. I am absolutely clueless as to peoples motivation, and prefer to give others the benifit of the doubt. This applies in either good or bad scenarios. My wife will tell me so and so really likes me, and I'll be suprised. I am frequently amazed at how much time others spend thinking and talking about me, as I spend so little time trying to read into them anything beyond what they actually tell me.



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24 Apr 2008, 12:29 pm

I just frequently forget that people can lie :S


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24 Apr 2008, 12:31 pm

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24 Apr 2008, 12:33 pm

Specter wrote:
I just frequently forget that people can lie :S


I can lie if I really put my mind to it, but it's exhausting. And it bugs me later... in a big way. I think that some people don't see the difference between lies and the truth, sometimes. There seems to be this big grey area of 'what's best for me and how to get it'. I just try and assume that everyone is doing their best, and continue on with that assumption until proven otherwise.



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24 Apr 2008, 12:35 pm

I can't lie :S not knowingly anyway. It's one of my many "rules"


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24 Apr 2008, 12:43 pm

I'd have to disagree with you on this Kliodimus. For one I have always sensed that I am emotionally impaired, therefore I don't trust my own emotions. Further, if I don't trust my own why would I trust anyone elses? I have been refered to as "Spock" behind my back. I tend to make a distinct division between "thinking" and "feeling".



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24 Apr 2008, 12:55 pm

in my head, thinking and feeling are the same thing.


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24 Apr 2008, 1:03 pm

I don't think I'm impaired in any way, but I do know that what I tend to feel is 'simpler'. I don't ever have ulterior motives for what I do, and that can make me seem a bit childlike. I've tried to adopt a compassionate outlook. It makes dealing with other people less difficult. I like working with kids. They usually work the same way, and the ones who are in any way compassionate themselves appreciate it.



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24 Apr 2008, 1:08 pm

spindriftdancer wrote:
and that can make me seem a bit childlike.


aren't we all? :P


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24 Apr 2008, 1:10 pm

Specter wrote:
spindriftdancer wrote:
and that can make me seem a bit childlike.


aren't we all? :P


Which 'we' are you referring to? 'We' as in people in general, or 'we' as in anyone on the spectrum?



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12 Apr 2009, 4:34 pm

Given the assumption that most people are deceptive and that I cannot determine the truth; I assume that everyone is lying but pretend that they aren't. If I care about the truth, then I will find out objectively, otherwise, I will judge people by their actions not their words. This strategy works on the basis that a lie hurts them more than it does me and can handle almost any interaction I have. I don't have to worry about interpreting motivation because it doesn't really matter to me.

If the lie is in a misguided effort to "spare my feelings", then its more effort on their part, I get to enjoy a being in a positive situation and I avoid a false sense of accomplishment (since I'm still assuming that they are lying to me). They are either stuck continuing the lie indefinitely, or giving up and admitting the truth (which benefits me).

If it is an effort to manipulate me in a way to gain something, then it either fails since I wouldn't have done it anyways, or seemingly succeeds (if I would have done it regardless of their lie).

This method helps me to continue interacting with people (despite a strong sense of paranoia) and avoid being taken advantage of. Unfortunately, it also means that I have trouble truly trusting anyone causing a sense of isolation. But, I don't think this can be avoided without opening myself up to potential harm.



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12 Apr 2009, 6:12 pm

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I don't pick up on it well at all, so I just assume that they have the worst intentions. It makes me seem like a jerk, but it's safer than being trusting.


Ahh, a favorite subject. I treat all as equally suspect... except those that I love. I give then unconditional trust and expect all problems are mistakes. OH BOY, has that proven horrible.