Psychoticism (P) and the "autistic personality"

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Are you high P?
I'm on the spectrum and high P (above average) 40%  40%  [ 28 ]
I'm on the spectrum and medium or low P 39%  39%  [ 27 ]
I'm not on the spectrum or don't feel like answering this question but want to see the results 21%  21%  [ 15 ]
Total votes : 70

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11 May 2008, 11:08 am

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I think it was really pretty stupid of them to call their personality traits the same things the two major categories of mental illness were called those days. And they really didn't take autism into account--schizoid personality disorder has a lot in common with autism, if you are an introvert, but they have different causes. SPD assumes you are able to, but simply not interested in, social interaction...


Well, they called them psychoticism and neuroticism after the major categories of mental disorders on purpose, with the assumption that people break down under stress in different ways depending on their underlying makeup. Eysenck was working with people invalided out of the military in WWII to start with, so it made sense to look at temperament and breakdown patterns. Also, how introverted or extraverted you are affects the type of diagnosis within each group.

Also, there weren't any (diagnosed) high functioning autistic people to study back then, so how could they include them???? Autism research hadn't progressed far enough yet (not the Eysencks' fault).

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So here's the weird thing: I scored only a 6 in neuroticism, but I've been diagnosed with major depression! Of course I am between episodes right now... if I am lucky I won't have another, but the odds say I will. I did answer honestly.


I think depression goes with bipolar on the psychotic axis. It's not the same as an anxiety disorder.

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Oh, and speaking of honesty? Some of those questions were very obviously from the lie scale, meant to detect whether you were trying to make yourself look good... the thing is, I know there were a couple of them that I answered the way most people, if honest, would never answer: For example, "I have never taken advantage of anyone." I can't recall a single incident in which I have, not because I'm especially "good" but because I am extremely sensitive to the very idea of feeling betrayed or disappointed, to the extent that the idea of causing someone else to feel that way is just plain abhorrent to me. But most people have, on occasion, done something however minor that does take advantage of somebody. So realistically you can't assume that your lie scale is going to actually mean that the person lied on every one of those items. Most people will probably give at least one, if not more, honest but favorable answer.

P 12
E 3
N 6
L 6


Women score higher on the Lie scale. They know it's a combination of honesty and dishonesty. I wonder what the averages would be for autists.



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11 May 2008, 11:11 am

I guess I should specify what "low" and "high" mean the next time I do this. I think anything a couple of points above the mean is high enough (psychoticism scale). After all, the mode is below the mean (I think it's in the 2-4 range), and the tail falls off sharply. The only reason the mean is so high is that there are a few very high scores to pull it up.

But then I think it's a good concept and a bad scale.



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11 May 2008, 10:41 pm

Extroversion:3 out of 23: low, especially for women

Psychotism: 14 out of 24: High-ish

Neuroticism: 16 out of 21: Higher than average for women

Lie Scale: 9 out of 21: above average, but I'm just well-behaved.


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11 May 2008, 11:58 pm

im somewhere between medium and high :lol:


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12 May 2008, 12:55 pm

This is cool. So far (14 people not including me, both posted here and emailed to me):

Psychoticism: everyone is above the mean: range 8-20, mean 11.8
Extraversion: everyone is below the mean: range 2-11, mean 4.9
Neuroticism: the full range, mean a bit high but not much: range 4-21, mean 14.6
Lie scale: a bit below the mean, but not much: range 3-12, mean 6.1

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Means published with scale:
Psychoticism: men 7.19, women 5.73; range 0-32;
Extraversion: men 12.51, women 14.14; range 0-23;
Neuroticism: men: 10.54, women 12.47; range 0-24;
Lie Scale: men 7.1, women 6.88; range 0-21


In other words: high psychoticism, low extraversion. Cool. I wonder if this is typical of the autistic spectrum?



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11 Feb 2009, 5:58 am

I guess we all need to figure out a way to talk about problems so we don't go insane. Systematically explaining things to myself helps me learn my way through challenges, but I'm not good at empathising with myself if I do something wrong and I couldn't figure it out before I was fooled...

I think my P and E are respectively high and low. That's how I act.



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11 Feb 2009, 6:44 am

Extraversion 1
Psychoticism 13
Neuroticism 21
Lie Scale 10



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11 Feb 2009, 7:06 am

that list of characteristics sounds a lot more 'sociopath' than 'creative' type to me.

having been a member for some years now, there are more psychotic types here than formerly. there's a lot more bipolar people here, there's sociopaths of some degree. it's an open website, one doesn't need a dx and in any case how could you prove it.



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11 Feb 2009, 7:11 am

well...i shall put myself forward for all to see.....

Extroversion - 11
Psychoticism - 18
Neuroticism - 24
lie scale - 6

it may well confirm i am dangerous. or perhaps not
in years past i really did wonder if i was a psychopath or sociopath...



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11 Feb 2009, 7:15 am

extraversion 4
psychoticism 10
neuroticsim 24
lie scale 4

very neurotic :S



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11 Feb 2009, 7:39 am

Extraversion: 0 (> 2SD below average)
Psychoticism: 11 (Above average)
Neuroticism: 19 (Above average)
Lie scale: 7 (Average)



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11 Feb 2009, 11:49 am

Your scores: extraversion: 2; psychoticism: 14; neuroticism: 22; lie scale: 5


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11 Feb 2009, 12:10 pm

My scores were:
Extroversion - 7
Psychoticism - 18
Neuroticism - 14
lie scale - 4

I think I can see where the theory wants to go but I imagine that there is also an exactly opposite type of person on the spectrum, another basic personality type, and I'm willing to bet that if people who lurk here, and don't post, took the test the results would be quite different.


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11 Feb 2009, 12:10 pm

My scores were:
Extroversion - 7
Psychoticism - 18
Neuroticism - 14
lie scale - 4

I think I can see where the theory wants to go but I imagine that there is also an exactly opposite type of person on the spectrum, another basic personality type, and I'm willing to bet that if people who lurk here, and don't post, took the test the results would be quite different.


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11 Feb 2009, 12:45 pm

From what I've been seeing in general on the forum, there do seem to be a lot of people on the spectrum who are basically normal except for being autistic, so if it turned out that there was no trend or only a small trend on this scale after all, I wouldn't be too surprised. It's just that it struck me that the stereotype of the typical autistic person (which may not be accurate) matches the stereotype of the high P person (which may also not be accurate). *Shrugs* It's something to look at.



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11 Feb 2009, 12:53 pm

extraversion- 9 (low I think)
Psychoticism- 17 (quite high)
Neuroticism- 21 (high)
Lie scale- 3 (sounds quite low)


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