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Phssthpok
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15 May 2008, 9:55 pm

Don't underestimate people, cynics too often judge on superficial things that really don't mean anything.



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15 May 2008, 11:26 pm

I've been mistakenly called arrogant (not very often, but it has happened) for sharing my knowledge. Sometimes people think I do it to show off, when the real reason is that I think it might interest people.


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15 May 2008, 11:34 pm

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Some of us are entitled to be arrogant.

It is entirely too easy for an Aspergian to end up surrounded by mewling idiots who are incapable of baring witness to their own inferiority due to an overriding stupidity and egotistical natures of their very own. One can only have limited patience with such idiots, and sometimes it is necessary to rub their faces in their own incompetance until they see it or die in the process... so to speak.

Arrogance never hurt anyone besides he / she who displayed it.... so if anyone else complains about it, they're just being a snivelling wuss and shouldn't be given the time of day.


You're arrogant.

But be sure not to complain about that you sniveling wuss. :D Yes, its one L. And "competence". On my computer, this website checks spelling errors. I don't see why you can't use it.


Btw...nobody would be complaining about it...there would probably be a lot more ass-kicking though, if you did it to their faces. And you probably would lose membership to some sites if you did that repeatedly. I'm not sure if you know this, but many forums for the same topic all keep track of each other, and specifically each others' "three-month members".

And then there's the "....easy for an Aspergian to end up surrounded by mewling idiots who are incapable of baring witness to their own inferiority due to an overriding stupidity and egotistical natures of their very own...". If it were true, that would mean that we hold a responsibility to these people. And it would be much easier to gain their respect and trust if you went that way. Which would give you a legitimate reason to be arrogant. :roll:


I'm surprised you didn't realize that.....


Pezar, you do need to try to calm down on the name-calling. The second I read "moron" in your first paragraph, I was turned off to what you had to say, I didn't want to listen to it. If I had been a member on that site and had read that, I would have been nit-picking every d*mn thing you said in my reply.
If you're tired of being kicked off sites and brought down, you need to take a look at what you're doing.
I'm assuming thats why you came here, but as I skimmed through the replies in this thread, you seemed to be defending what you said instead of taking suggestions. My apologies if that is not the case.



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15 May 2008, 11:49 pm

Yup:

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/58197?tstart=0

I'm arrogant because this dumb airhead refuses to present evidence on the so called link between vaccination and autism, but I actually took the time to research and post all the information I could find. But it's not credible because she decided it's not. What an effing idiot.

Hey SotiCoto can I use this quote from you on that b***h:

"It is entirely too easy for an Aspergian to end up surrounded by mewling idiots who are incapable of baring witness to their own inferiority due to an overriding stupidity and egotistical natures of their very own. One can only have limited patience with such idiots, and sometimes it is necessary to rub their faces in their own incompetance until they see it or die in the process... so to speak."

Love it.



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16 May 2008, 2:11 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
I've been mistakenly called arrogant (not very often, but it has happened) for sharing my knowledge. Sometimes people think I do it to show off, when the real reason is that I think it might interest people.


Maybe your actual motivation is to show off. As outside entities, people can make valid observations about your character that you yourself may not have noticed.



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16 May 2008, 3:32 am

I've found that people who accuse others of being arrogant usually are arrogant themselves. It's their own arrogance that leads them to see it in everyone else but themselves.



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16 May 2008, 3:34 am

Accusing the accuser? That's rich.



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16 May 2008, 3:37 am

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At least to me, arrogance is the inability or unwillingness to acknowledge the possibility that you may be wrong. I'm a big believer in qualifying my opinions or beliefs, with the exception of hard facts that I have personally verified. Arrogance annoys me, and I tend to write off arrogant people, because whether or not they actually can back up their opinion of themselves, I don't care to deal with them.

We're reading from different dictionaries then, so to speak.
Because last I checked it was merely an air of personal superiority relative to another person or people.
And I generally remain open to the fact that I "could" be wrong... but there is no reason to assume that I would be unless they can provide evidence strongly suggesting so. As it happens, what tends to make me the more arrogant is when I'm faced with people who can't even understand the concept of rationally nor empirically justifying their side of an argument... and I have no other choice than to assume they're simply inferior lifeforms.


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In my experience the people who are really knowledgeable about something are usually humble about it and would never patronize someone for not knowing something.

My experience again disagrees with your experience then.
As, for instance, is the case with much of the content of my Palaeobiology degree. I spent enough years doing that sort of work and communicating primarily with others doing the SAME work, even having extended discussions at length about evolutionary and other biological processes.... that it became somewhat of a status quo for me, to an extent that some parts of my mind still can't understand how other people don't know as I know... within this academic field.
As such... when someone contradicts the most basic of my academic knowledge (creationists, for instance).... my mind associates that automatically with their being a lower lifeform, at the nicest in need of a careful explanation, and at the nastier in need of serious mockery for their ignorance.

It is all quite hardwired, really.


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I guess the big one would be that insulting people only damages your own credibility. This being a board where the written word is the only form of communication, well worded argumentation is far more effective than insults and invective. When you adopt a condescending tone in your post, a good chunk of people immediately tune you out. I don't care how good you are at what you are talking about, all I have to go on is your word for it, and I view overbearing prose as a smoke screen for ignorance about the topic being discussed. If you want people to take you seriously, humbleness and humility go a lot further than bombast and bragging.

Not for those who matters, it doesn't.
What you're talking about here is rhetoric...
And a fairly good measure of a person's intelligence is how much they are influenced by logic RATHER than rhetoric.... as I see it.
What using ad hominems against a person will tend to do is send them the signal that you are hostile toward them... competition for resources maybe... a perfectly ordinary animal instinct. And the perfectly ordinary response is to go on the defensive to try and drive the potential enemy away.... effectively ignoring whatever they may be trying to communicate (and for that matter, putting aside any further investigation into their motives). Instinct takes control... and the value of the words themselves is thrown out of the window.

A person of thought however can tune out anything personal from such a conversation though.... and strip it to the bare bones of what is being expressed... irrespective of who is being called what, or the tone being used.
I am not at such an elevated level yet, but I do try.... and being Aspergian gives people like us a natural advantage that socially dependant mundies do not get.

Besides... being arrogant myself, I'm far more accepting of arrogance in others.... and I have learnt the obscene rhetorical impact of actually comparing someone else's arrogance favourably to my own (I was having a chronic argument with someone the other day, but after mentioning just once that he reminded me of myself, I managed to get him to help me out with something... simple as that).



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You're arrogant.

You don't say? :roll:

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But be sure not to complain about that you sniveling wuss. :D Yes, its one L. And "competence". On my computer, this website checks spelling errors. I don't see why you can't use it.

Less a matter of can't, and more a matter of "not bothered".
Being surrounded by people who can't even spell "you" for most of my life, my own standards have slipped a bit, I admit.

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Btw...nobody would be complaining about it...there would probably be a lot more ass-kicking though, if you did it to their faces. And you probably would lose membership to some sites if you did that repeatedly. I'm not sure if you know this, but many forums for the same topic all keep track of each other, and specifically each others' "three-month members".

The funny thing is... most of the sites have been topically disconnected.
But anyhow... "ass-kicking" as you put it. Not something that is ever likely to arise, though I've had many of those sorts of threats... The sort of "I'd caveman you into next week if I saw you in person"... to which my usual response is: "I'd be prepared".

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And then there's the "....easy for an Aspergian to end up surrounded by mewling idiots who are incapable of baring witness to their own inferiority due to an overriding stupidity and egotistical natures of their very own...". If it were true, that would mean that we hold a responsibility to these people. And it would be much easier to gain their respect and trust if you went that way. Which would give you a legitimate reason to be arrogant. :roll:

A responsibility to put them out of their and our misery?
That I would be inclined to agree to. Their stupidity causes suffering in themselves and others, and they would be better off dead. That is, however, not an option. The most I can do is merely correct them when I see them.... until such time as one of them learns how to counter-argue properly.
Besides... what would I want their respect for? Being respected by stupid people would just make me feel dirty.



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16 May 2008, 4:57 am

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Accusing the accuser? That's rich.


What do you mean? Are you agreeing or disagreeing? I can't tell by "that's rich." Anyway, it's definitely true in psychology that people will often get the most angry about qualities that they have themselves. If someone accuses other people of being selfish, there's a good chance that they are a selfish person. I've heard Dr Phil say "There's something about that guy I don't like about me." Arrogant people are usually the first ones to call another person arrogant.



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16 May 2008, 6:37 am

Shelby wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Accusing the accuser? That's rich.


What do you mean? Are you agreeing or disagreeing? I can't tell by "that's rich." Anyway, it's definitely true in psychology that people will often get the most angry about qualities that they have themselves. If someone accuses other people of being selfish, there's a good chance that they are a selfish person. I've heard Dr Phil say "There's something about that guy I don't like about me." Arrogant people are usually the first ones to call another person arrogant.

The primary reason for aggression between members of the same species, and often even between separate species..... is competition.
Nobody wants someone else intruding on their niche.



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16 May 2008, 8:08 am

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People wil want to know you and become dear friends if you can be a likeable person. It is just that simple. It's hard to get someone to like you, but to make them hate you is very easy. Invest the time and effort in building friendships. Put yourself out there. Become vulnerable to others.


This is good advice. I once had somebody tell me a very simple yet effective saying, "Don't be interestING, be interestED".

In other words people aren't going to like you because you can be charming and think of funny things to say and have a lot of impressive attributes. But people tend to like you if you seem to genuinely care about them, listen, and ask questions.



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16 May 2008, 8:31 am

tenalpgnorw wrote:
In other words people aren't going to like you because you can be charming and think of funny things to say and have a lot of impressive attributes. But people tend to like you if you seem to genuinely care about them, listen, and ask questions.

Or to put it another way: Everybody likes a doormat.
Doesn't mean you should be one. It is all the more reason, in fact, to defy them.



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16 May 2008, 8:37 am

I never say anything nasty to anyone and no one wants to be friends with me.

I agree with others that the 'moronic' comment is probably the mistake.
I think sometimes you have to keep some comments in your head, its difficult working out which ones though.
As a rule its the ones that would make you angry if someone else called you that.



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16 May 2008, 9:06 am

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I never say anything nasty to anyone and no one wants to be friends with me.

I agree with others that the 'moronic' comment is probably the mistake.
I think sometimes you have to keep some comments in your head, its difficult working out which ones though.
As a rule its the ones that would make you angry if someone else called you that.

Some of you guys act like you think you're supposed to be mundies, and do things the mundie way.
It really isn't necessary.

If nobody wants to be friends with you, it is probably because you're the other sort of person: Not a nasty person, but a boring person. Afterall, people notice you far more easily if you're nasty than if you're "nice".

And besides... when you go looking for things, that is when they tend not to be found.
Don't bother looking for friends and I'm sure sooner or later somebody will find you interesting. Might take a while though.



And making angry?
Not necessary.
If you get angry over things, you're not controlling your emotions well enough. Getting angry is a personal flaw... and one which should be overcome, ideally.

People can only make you angry because you let them.... because you leave yourself vulnerable and they, in their defensiveness, exploit your vulnerability.



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16 May 2008, 9:14 am

You can leave me out of it thank you, I may not have any friends, but I don't particularly want any either :)
My comment was based on someone elses.



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16 May 2008, 9:17 am

craola wrote:
You can leave me out of it thank you, I may not have any friends, but I don't particularly want any either :)
My comment was based on someone elses.

Ah right. Sorry then.
Good to hear you don't want them. I've never really understood the appeal myself either. ^_^

I mean why would I want friends when I can get all my entertainment in digital form?