I've said that I wanted to kill myself just to get attention

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No, because many, many people say they were just joking, or not serious when they really were just to get out of being put in the hospital. It's called involuntary for a reason.

That would be quite interesting, as I have almost all the symptoms of schizoid personality disorder, which is a personality disorder that is, in many respects, the direct opposite of histrionic personality disorder.

But they might not listen to you.

I am sure there are people out there who have said that and then said they were just joking just so they won't get put away for help. So how can anyone expect people to listen to someone when they said they were joking about committing suicide.
It's the same with killing too. People have said they were going to kill someone and then said they are just joking but one day they actually do it. It's the same with suicide. People say they are just joking and then one day they are dead because no one took them seriously.

So I do not think they are going to listen to you when you tell them that.

hey, did you know you didn't have to threaten suicide to get in one of those nut houses? All you had to do was be born 40 years before Lorna Wing let the US know about the other side of Kanner's Autism.
And you're not separated from the rest of the other involuntary patients, no, no you to be with them all the time because once in there baby, you WERE one of them, there was 90 days of observation. I was replaced back into the general population for 3-90 day rotations, took part in lots of interesting experiments, mostly dealing with electricity and nervous systems over in 'Old Main' the creaky old converted mansion with the acres of underground basements all connected by tunnels. And mentally ill? yeah, they think you are being devious with your haughty high and mighty attitude shown by your rigid face and your closed off body language.
You were so difficult with people, taking people so literally, never being satisfied with the tilt of the picture, the set of the lounge sofas, the volume of the loud speaker. Picky picky picky.

so ,when you scare people into not threatening suicide, please remember the threat of sending someone back into the institution is a hard, cold fact, Jack. And for some of us, it was a reality, just for being born like this.

Merle

Now I'm paranoid that one day I'll forget that I'm not supposed to make these jokes, accidentally make one, and end up locked up in a mental hospital. THEN my life will go to hell, and the suicide threats, if I don't just get it over with right away, will be for real. My chest is starting to hurt. I need to relieve this anxiety, somehow. Perhaps I'll threaten to commit suicide, in some other message board, in order to get the attention that I know will soothe this pain inside of me. They won't believe me over at the mental hospital. I'm feeling paranoid.

well, you won't answer my PM, so I am asking you straight out if you are being serious or faking it. Mw99. I am asking you both as a friend, and as a Moderator.

Merle

If you were sufficiently convincing, you would probably get to spend your 3 days unmedicated.

Although you would be in the general population, they still segregate based on age and homicidal ideators. We had 5 lockdown wards. Junior (under 18 ), PeeWee (under 12), Senior (over 65), adult (18+), and high security homicidal maniacs. It was very rare that guys who threaten suicide would end up in the high security ward, but one 18 year old did end up there when I was working there due to the fact that there was no room the other wards at the time.

Mental Health hospitals are nothing like they used to be. All of the patients are treated with respect. ECT (Electroshock treatments) are generally only given to patients who ask for them. ECT is a very effective way of controlling depression long term without medication. It is not torture and people line up to get it on a voluntary basis. While I was there, some guys were getting it every week. Others are good for months.

Well, if you feel less anxious after telling that, may be it's good for you, not for those who loves you. Try another joke to be noticed! I also have some kind of "black" humor, and I find this not a joke, but just a slapstick.

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Why don't you just tell people about the anxiety and how it's making you feel instead of making suicide threats?

Why won't they consider the possibility that I was just joking? It's a valid possibility, after all. (Just read this thread, if you believe I'm being dishonest.)

And if all I have to do in order to get locked up for 3 days is to claim that I'm suicidal, well, if I ever become homeless and don't have anywhere to go, that's one way to take care of my problem. All I have to do is keep making the same claim every 3 days. On the other hand, who knows what type of brainwashing and modern-day lobotomies take place at mental hospitals nowaadays, so it's possible that after 3 days in a mental hospital I'll be so damaged, so traumatized, that the desire to continue making false threats will effectively be gone.



And what about the psychological trauma that an almost normal person will suffer after being locked up side-by-side with real lunatics? Did anyone think about that? Noone cares, right?



When you say that patients are treated with respect, do you mean like the way the patients in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest were treated? Or respect, as in, condescendingly being respectful to them? Yeah, it's not impossible to tell when someone is faking respect and when someone really means it. It depends on their acting skills, and a poor actor can unwittingly cause a patient more emotional pain.



It's on a voluntary basis but I bet you folks brainwash them or coerce them in subtle ways into wanting to get ECTs. In that case, how can their choice to get ECTs be considered voluntary?

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Mw99 has some issues that need to be addressed by a professional. He definitely needs help.

The topic of this thread is pure poison.

Professional help? Didn't you read anbuend's message? Professional "help" often does people like us more harm than good.

Just to be clear, I don't need more help than anyone on this forum does, and that includes you, sartresue.

i would say dont kidding whith that u dont wanna end up some grouphome and getting restrained just cause of attention

at least i warned u

There are some things you just need to remember not to make jokes like.

One of them is, don't joke about how you're going to kill yourself unless you really are.

Another of them is, don't go into an airport and make jokes about bombs or weapons.

Another is, don't make jokes about how you're going to kill people. (Someone posted on WP about that once and then really went out and killed people, so you'd get reported to the cops.)

Etc.

Also, people have been saying for probably at least half a century that mental institutions aren't as bad as they used to be, that people are respected more, etc. Thing is, how bad they are doesn't depend on what they look like, doesn't even depend on what "treatments" are used. As a friend who's both been in them and worked in another form of institutions says, "Just because you're not beating up on your clients doesn't mean you're not beating up on their souls." And as she points out, you almost have to have been there to understand what that means.

I was in and out of them in the 1990s, a total of a year and half spent inside, spread out over 3-4 years, and when "outside" was in things that were still institutional in power structure even if I was allowed to live at home. When I was in them, they were always saying how they'd changed since the seventies. But they were still just as destructive as my friends now remember them from the seventies and earlier. They still abused us, and even when the abuse wasn't overt, it was actually often worse than when it was. Because someone beats you up, physically tortures you, even tries to kill you, and you can sort of understand what's going on (and, yes, those happened to me). Someone does what my friend described to me (in describing what had happened to me) as "manufacturing an un-person", and you can't tell which way is up anymore. And you have to really know what you're doing to avoid creating that kind of environment. It's not enough to convince yourself you're respecting people.

So anyway, when I was in them in the 1990s people said they'd changed since before. And sometime when it hit around 2002, the decade changed again, and I was told that nothing I said about institutions had any relevance because they'd "changed since the nineties". So where does it end? In another decade we'll be saying they're so much better since now and all that nasty stuff was a thing of the past. It's psychiatry's form of spin-doctoring. (They do it with their "treatments" too, even if one is no more effective and no less destructive than the last.) Until the fundamental power structures are changed, the most destructive aspects of institutions will remain the same, and all the reform will almost be for nothing. (Not entirely for nothing, but not for enough either.) And that goes for things that don't call themselves institutions, don't make you live there, but still do the same stuff to you power-wise. People fool themselves into thinking an institution is a building, and it's not -- I was in a supported living agency in the past that functioned exactly like an institution, and did in fact lock some people up, in their own homes.

And the thing about not forcing people to do ECT isn't true. It's true that there are laws against doing it involuntarily, at least in America. It is not true that when it happens now it is always voluntary. Quite often what they do to people now, is what they did to a friend of mine: Threaten guardianship if they don't consent. Other people have guardians who consent for them. Not quite so "voluntary" then, is it?

I've studied enough sociology, and been the subject of enough "new modern improved" kinds of destructive behavior towards me, that citing improvements for mostly cosmetic reasons, or for the changing of treatments from one to another, doesn't fool me.

Like "us"??? Guys like you are a disgrace for every real Aspie out there. The public isnt that well informed about Autism. And if people are interested and read threads like this, they get a wrong impression about the autistic community. You should get professional help, though.