Aspie girls just wanna have fun?
I love my imaginary friends so very much that sometimes I forget that they're only a figment of my imagination and are consciously controlled by me - in fact, I secretly spent a good chunk of this summer up until last week actually believing that they existed in a parallel universe and could communicate with me spiritually. Kind of embarrassing when I actually type it out, but yeah... That's how it went.
I slide in and out of fantasy whether things are going great in reality or not. Good or bad times; I want to share them all with my imaginary friends.
I've been told that I talk about my characters as if they were real people. I know that they don't exist in reality, but I still know enough about them that they seem like fleshed-out people who actually could exist. The only difference between them and real people is that I understand them, how they work and how to interact with them, whereas a huge number of real people are incomprehensible beyond a theoretical level.
I do tend to drift off into fantasy during good times, too. I just can focus on reality better when I'm having a good time (well, except in roleplaying and such, where I'm having a good time BECAUSE I'm escaping from reality!). But when I'm alone, my mind inevitably goes to where people who will always, unconditionally like me, live.
Bolded where I have been told the same by my mother in my early teens. People have even acted like I thought they were real too because they would say they aren't even real. Duh I already know that.
I discussed something with a person once, and a woman said "COME ON, IT'S FICTION and NOT REAL!"! WE KNEW THAT!
Nevertheless, quite interesting.
I think it's got less to do with ASDs, but a lot with gender roles.
Some of typical and still very true gender stereotypes that can easily be observed in kindergarten, elementary school and secondary school are:
Boys rather build things, play physically, fight, girls try
Boys are into machines usually, girls into animals.
Boys are expected to not be crybabies, girls are allowed to be that and are encouraged to seek comfort.
Boys are into maths and logical problems, girls into languages and arts.
Boys have a lot more physical activity going on, girls grow into discussions, talking and thinking.
I see parents who treat their kids less according to demand of gender roles and the boys have developed some 'female qualities' (express emotions, care for others outwardly) and vice versa with girls.
Education and environment seem to have a very pronounced influence on a probable predispositions and the eventual development of gender roles.
Excellent post. I consider the gender of the individual to cause a different expression of autism as it causes a different expression of neurotypical behaviour in NTs.
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Interesting! I would say all descriptions fit me to a T. There is one exception though...I did lash out against others. But only after being provoked, I never started a fight. I did usually end up ending it. All I wanted was peace & respect. There have been many who couldn't understand that until they pissed me off. LOL
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I love my imaginary friends so very much that sometimes I forget that they're only a figment of my imagination and are consciously controlled by me - in fact, I secretly spent a good chunk of this summer up until last week actually believing that they existed in a parallel universe and could communicate with me spiritually. Kind of embarrassing when I actually type it out, but yeah... That's how it went.
I slide in and out of fantasy whether things are going great in reality or not. Good or bad times; I want to share them all with my imaginary friends.
I've been told that I talk about my characters as if they were real people. I know that they don't exist in reality, but I still know enough about them that they seem like fleshed-out people who actually could exist. The only difference between them and real people is that I understand them, how they work and how to interact with them, whereas a huge number of real people are incomprehensible beyond a theoretical level.
My imaginary friends are part of my family. My mom and brother and even my dad go along with talking about my imaginary friends as though they're real people. I know what you mean about "understanding" them - Another reason I adore my imaginary friends is because once I get a good feel for their personalities, they stay that way and never change and don't reveal things about themselves that I didn't already know.
Real people are terribly confusing... There's always more to people than you think there is, which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the person.
If you feel like you can handle the weirdness, you most certainly can.
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Real people are terribly confusing... There's always more to people than you think there is, which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the person.
Interesting point there about them not changing and revealing things about themselves. My characters will often have more about their story or their interests come to light as things progress - I'll learn the reason for this or that part of their personality and such later on. But one other person who created characters noted, with annoyance I might add, that my characters never "matured" - There was what they were like earlier, and what they were like now, but once I made them a certain way, they didn't change much, personality or action-wise. But I preferred it that way - so often in movies and books, I find a character I really like, and then they'll change that character in a way that makes me not able to relate to them anymore (usually making them "normal" and in line with social expectations) and it makes me sad. Besides, the world moves too fast as is - people who were my friends and would never leave me one day betray and abandon me the next, and I don't understand why. At least my own characters can be constants for me - if they change, it's because I'm ready for them to, and I will still understand and be able to connect with them.
Oh, and about Spokane Girl's comment - The assumption that just because one talks about something/someone a certain way they have to be somehow disconnected from reality is quite annoying. I'd much rather say, for convenience's sake and just because it sounds less awkward, "___ HAS blue eyes and LIKES donuts" than use a more hypothetical wording of "___ WOULD HAVE blue eyes and WOULD LIKE donuts," or however I'm expected to talk about my own characters.
Her claims about girls:
--Girl aspies are less likely to lack imaginative play. In fact, many female aspies retreat into make-believe worlds to escape from difficult social realities.
--While boy aspies tend to become obsessed with science, technology, and math, the most common obsessions in girl aspies appear to be literature and animals.
--Boy aspies are easier to diagnose because they are more likely than girl aspies to lash out.
--While boy aspies accept their lack of empathy as simply a boost to their capacity for logical thinking, girl aspies have a tendency to seek out emotional stimulation. Of course girls have the same autistic objectivity, but they are more likely to try to overcome it. This leads to many aspie girls having "morbid" interests (I have seen evidence of this on wrongplanet; no one has suggested a WP Auschwitz guys club, but the WP Auschwitz girls club, God forgive our irreverent souls, has five members). We whack ourselves over the head with tragedy to teach ourselves empathy.
--With boys, social difficulties are more likely to result from compulsions and rituals. With girls, the root of the problem is often obsessions, whether the focus is on pet subjects or people.
Now, my teacher and I agree that these are not universals; no one wants to make generalizations. However, there is a definite pattern. A pattern into which I fit almost perfectly.
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Right on the money, MissPickWickian. Your teacher should write a text book on the subject. I have observed these differences in myself to some extent. I couldn't believe my eyes reading this! Escaping into a make believe world to escape social issues could not describe my childhood any better! The obsessions with animals and literature, so true! I liked science, (later in college, not in grade or secondary school) but ofttimes math and logical thinking were difficult for me, as was following directions.
All I wanted to do in grade school was read books of my choosing, draw pictures of princesses, horses and Pagesus making up stories to go along with them.
For the first time someone else has addressed the differences I have wondered about. Didn't think to chalk it up to my gender.
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Real people are terribly confusing... There's always more to people than you think there is, which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the person.
Interesting point there about them not changing and revealing things about themselves. My characters will often have more about their story or their interests come to light as things progress - I'll learn the reason for this or that part of their personality and such later on. But one other person who created characters noted, with annoyance I might add, that my characters never "matured" - There was what they were like earlier, and what they were like now, but once I made them a certain way, they didn't change much, personality or action-wise. But I preferred it that way - so often in movies and books, I find a character I really like, and then they'll change that character in a way that makes me not able to relate to them anymore (usually making them "normal" and in line with social expectations) and it makes me sad. Besides, the world moves too fast as is - people who were my friends and would never leave me one day betray and abandon me the next, and I don't understand why. At least my own characters can be constants for me - if they change, it's because I'm ready for them to, and I will still understand and be able to connect with them.
Whenever I make a new imaginary friend, it's always: "I know you like the back of my hand and I love you. Now you're my best friend forever and I never want you to change!" And it stays that way for a long time: usually months, sometimes even years. I hate how people in the real world change - all the people I thought I knew and liked back in junior high/elementary school might as well be strangers to me now. In a way, that makes me pretty sad; especially since I don't feel like I've changed all that much (even though my mom says I have). But at least the folks in my head will always be around: same age, same appearance, same personality, same bond with me.
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--Girl aspies are less likely to lack imaginative play. In fact, many female aspies retreat into make-believe worlds to escape from difficult social realities.
This is true for me, I would drift into imagination quite frequently since I was 10. My imagination comes and goes depending whether or not I was in constant contact with friends.
Thats defiently not true for me. I HATE literature, I've even come to point where I cant read fiction. My mom has tried a million times to get me to read, doesnt work. All I read is nonfiction unless its required. I've always had an interest in math and science not an obsession though.
Yeah, I rarely lashed out when I was a kid. Though strangly enough, I will mildly lash out now just within the last 1.5 years after I turned 18. Ive had to learn to control that, so now I will try to control myself while bursting inside. I have no idea, its confusing.
Im not exactly sure what this means. 1. I do lack empathy in certain circumstances and I also have a difficulty showing it when I do have empathy. 2. I do seek out emotional stimulation mainly cause I was soo lonely, I had to learn to stop doing that after screwing up. 3. While I've had some mild interest in punk and goth, and occationally thought it was "cool" to have morbid interest. In reality, I dont have morbid interest. 4. What is WP Auschwitz girls club?
Hmm yeah obsessions have been one of my biggest problems.
There is a poem that says;
And puppy dog tails,
That's what little boys are made of.
Sugar and spice,
And all things nice,
That's what little girls are made of.
OH, if that were true! I mean I am not like it says boys are and, thankfully, most AREN'T! But likewise, girls aren't always so nice. Some females now PROUDLY proclaim they can be as rauncy, etc..., as the WORST male! UNREAL! That is NOTHING to brag about.
So women are placed on a pedestal that NONE can live up to 100% and some would do everything to AVOID 100%!
