I believe that Autism Is 100% Genetic!

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25 Aug 2008, 11:05 am

so were evolving like pokemons into 2 different species?

Autistic and NT?

Dude i dunno about that :\

some autistic i dont even think could survive without help from other people

I don't think mother nature would evolve a species not able to take care of itself which some very low on the spectrum are unable to do it would be pointless and survival of the fittest would just end up destroying the evolution



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25 Aug 2008, 11:05 am

Its a mutation spanning several chromosomes.p My research is in attempting to define more specifically all differences, and whether or not a so- called genetic catalyst is involved (I.e, breed with person A, autistic children. With person B, more likely to be NT. Or, even values for either. But, trust me, it is most certainly, guaranteed, one hundred percent true blue Aussie lamb genetic. If there's one scholarly aspect Australia is markedly superior in, it's medical technologies, Autosm research and genetics.

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25 Aug 2008, 11:12 am

Ishmael wrote:
Its a mutation spanning several chromosomes.p My research is in attempting to define more specifically all differences, and whether or not a so- called genetic catalyst is involved (I.e, breed with person A, autistic children. With person B, more likely to be NT. Or, even values for either. But, trust me, it is most certainly, guaranteed, one hundred percent true blue Aussie lamb genetic. If there's one scholarly aspect Australia is markedly superior in, it's medical technologies, Autosm research and genetics.

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25 Aug 2008, 11:15 am

ProtossX wrote:
so were evolving like pokemons into 2 different species?

Autistic and NT?

Dude i dunno about that :\

some autistic i dont even think could survive without help from other people

I don't think mother nature would evolve a species not able to take care of itself which some very low on the spectrum are unable to do it would be pointless and survival of the fittest would just end up destroying the evolution


For every species alive there is an average of thirty similar species who failed and became extinct. Just look at proto-humans, how many died and how many evolved? Besides; evolution is not an instant thing; small changes occur gradually over generations in response to environmental changes. A mutation is an accident; but if certain aspects prove beneficial, the same laws of evolution apply.


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25 Aug 2008, 11:37 am

Also with modern humans and the laws and health and saftey and us cutting ourselves from nature survival of the fittest doesn't happen anymore. So if survival of the fittest ceices to happen your going to find more people with faulty genes still alive.


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25 Aug 2008, 11:57 am

Xercies wrote:
Also with modern humans and the laws and health and saftey and us cutting ourselves from nature survival of the fittest doesn't happen anymore.

'Natural selection' functions by 'survival of the fit enough'. And it has not come to a grinding halt. Accumulation of diversity facilitates a wider adaptive scope at the species level. Even alterations that can have negative consequences for individuals can contribute to species or population viability and survival.



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25 Aug 2008, 12:06 pm

We also need to keep in mind that we can lessen the effects of autism and we can increase functioning with appropriate early intervention. We certainly can't cure it, but we can increase tolerance to things and functioning levels.

Is it 100% genetic? Who knows. But it looks awful good for that or at least above 80% genetic.


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25 Aug 2008, 12:11 pm

If you're going to say something like that, show the science that supports it!



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25 Aug 2008, 12:17 pm

aspiartist, are you asking me to show science? I work with these kids all of the time, and I see it daily. Early intervention definitely helps. Temple Grandin advocates for early intervention. Tony Attwood advocates for early intervention. Or would you like a detailed report? I'm just trying to determine what sort of "proof" would be considered appropriate.


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25 Aug 2008, 12:19 pm

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/on-parentin ... inked.html

Autism and Schizophrenia Linked
March 31, 2008 04:36 PM ET | Nancy Shute

Could autism and schizophrenia be cousins? New research shows that people with schizophrenia have rare variations in genes that control brain development and that each person has a unique pattern of mutations. The finding is startlingly similar to new research on autism. Since April 2 is the first-ever World Autism Awareness Day, it's a good time to ponder what this odd conjunction says about building human brains—and, perhaps, how to fix them.

Tolstoy famously wrote that happy families are all alike, but that each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way. Thomas Insel, a psychiatrist who heads the National Institute of Mental Health, calls the new understanding that disorders like schizophrenia and autism have unique origins in each person a "Tolstoy moment" in mental health. Until very recently, the theory on diseases like these that run in families has been that people who get the disorders have the same genetic mutations. Scientists have spent years looking for a "schizophrenia gene" and an "autism gene," but the search has been frustrating. They have ID'd genes that make people susceptible to the disorders, but none of those genes are shared by enough people that they have proved useful for diagnosis or treatment. Given that, it's no wonder that activists in the autism and schizophrenia communities lose patience with scientists' fixation on genes and accuse them of slighting research on possible environmental causes.

In the past few years, scientists have started looking for disease genes in a totally different way. Using a new technique called whole-genome scanning to browse almost all of a person's DNA, researchers compared family members and other people with and without the disease, looking for shared patterns. They found that 15 percent of people with schizophrenia had rare deletions or duplications in their DNA, compared with 5 percent of people in the general population. The difference was even more pronounced in children with early-onset schizophrenia: 20 percent had mutations. "They're not random," says Insel. "They tend to cluster around genes that are important for brain development."

But the big surprise is that the variations differ so much from one person to the next. Each person, in other words, becomes schizophrenic in his or her own way. (There were similarities within families, however. In a group of children with early-onset schizophrenia, more than half of the children had inherited the genetic mutations from a parent.) This notion of a "personalized" disease—that there are many ways to end up with schizophrenia—is also, increasingly, how researchers are thinking about autism.

At first glance, autism and schizophrenia seem to have little in common. Autism shows up in early childhood and is characterized by problems with social interactions and communications, including understanding nonverbal cues or the inability to talk. Schizophrenia, by contrast, usually doesn't manifest itself until early adulthood. Its symptoms can include hallucinations and delusions but also what are called "negative symptoms": lack of emotion, inappropriate social skills, and impaired thinking. Both disorders can be disabling, and for each there is no known cause and no cure.

But Judith Rapoport, chief of the child psychology branch at the National Institute of Mental Health and one of the researchers, sees a similarity. She's spent the past three decades studying how children's brain development is affected by disorders like schizophrenia. The brains of children with early-onset schizophrenia are much larger than normal in the first few years of life, for instance. Children with autism also have an unusual amount of brain growth before age 3. In this new work, she and her colleagues found that two places where variations in genes tended to cluster in people with schizophrenia were also more common in people with autism. "We're very excited about the link to autism," Rapoport says. "You have to see these as risk factors, very intriguing ones."

Rapoport is convinced that there are more genetic links between schizophrenia and autism, and the researchers are now going through their data with a finer comb, looking for more correlations—and, perhaps, stronger clues as to where the brain's path goes so grievously astray. There's no insta-cure here, alas. But having a clearer view of what the genes are up to makes it more likely that genetic diagnoses and treatments could someday be created. It also could help move the debate from arguing over whether there are environmental triggers for autism to finding them and coming up with ways to protect people who are genetically susceptible.



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25 Aug 2008, 12:22 pm

http://sfari.org/news/autism-and-schizo ... -disorders

For much of the twentieth century, autism was considered childhood schizophrenia.

Shared problems with language and social interaction lumped them together. Doctors thought as the children grew older, they simply became more psychotic and delusional.

But, in 1943, Leo Kanner, a psychiatrist at Johns Hopkins University, suggested that children who have an “innate inability” to form relationships with people have a distinct disorder that he dubbed early infantile autism1.

Thus began a passionate psychological debate over the next 30 years: should autism be considered a separate entity, or part of the schizophrenic syndrome complex?

Clinical differences between the two disorders led to diverging research, but new evidence that suggests they are related diseases may spark the debate anew.

On 5 May, Swedish researchers revealed that, based on health records from more than 1,200 families, parents of children diagnosed with autism are twice as likely to have been diagnosed with schizophrenia as controls2. The mothers of those autistic children are also 1.7 times as likely to have been diagnosed with depression or personality disorders.

Using cutting-edge genetic technologies, researchers are also finding the same random genetic variants — particularly in genes involved in neurodevelopmental pathways — in both autism and schizophrenia.

“The epidemiology didn’t teach us there could be a common basis to distinguish between disorders,” says Jonathan Sebat, a geneticist at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory in New York. “Genetics is teaching us that.”
Diverse genetics:

Scientists have long known that individuals with autism and schizophrenia both have chromosomal abnormalities. But in the past two years, technology has allowed scientists to confirm that deletions or duplications of chunks of the chromosomes are important in both disorders.

These copy number variations (CNVs) occur de novo, meaning they are spontaneous, random mutations not carried by the parents — a somewhat shocking revelation for a neurodevelopmental disease with evident genetic origins.

“There is no stronger genetic disease in the psychiatric world than autism,” Sebat says. “But strangely, in families it didn’t seem to segregate in a classic Mendelian way — where one trait is passed down in a dominant or recessive fashion,” he adds.

Although there are obvious cases of autism inherited from one or both parents, spontaneous or ‘sporadic’ cases, in which children have two unaffected parents, are also common.

Knowing there was more complex genetics at work, Sebat and his colleagues searched for random genetic glitches in children with autism and typically developing controls. What they found suggests that more than 15% of autism cases result from CNVs, with possibly hundreds of genes involved3.

The researchers found 17 CNVs, predominantly in cases of sporadic autism. “CNVS do not occur as frequently in families with more than one autistic child,” Sebat says.

Ironically, genetic studies of autism had gone to incredible lengths to recruit multiplex families, rare cases in which more than one child in the family is diagnosed with autism. But that, Sebat says, ignores the role of de novo mutations.

The combined genetic evidence lends support to a hypothesis that suggests that autism is the result of several genetic variations, some of which can occur spontaneously.

“Autism genes are everywhere — probably because the brain hijacks so much of the genome in the process of wiring itself that there are a number of potential sites that can be disrupted during brain development,” says Sebat.

Many of these CNVs may be one-off mutations, never found to be statistically significant, but are highly penetrant, meaning that nearly everyone with that mutation will develop autism.

What that suggests, however, is that almost every individual with sporadic autism has a different CNV.

“It’s comparable to a car’s engine: a malfunction in any number of the many different wires or moving parts can bring the car to a halt,” says Steve Hamilton, assistant professor of psychiatry at the University of California, San Francisco.
Striking similarities:

Following these findings in autism, different groups have discovered genetic overlap between patients with adult-onset psychiatric disorders such as schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.

For example, Sebat’s team found that CNVs are also unexpectedly frequent in schizophrenia. What’s more, a handful of the 53 CNVs found in people with schizophrenia are also prevalent in individuals with autism4.

Some areas appear to be hot spots for mutations. For example, a duplicated region of chromosome 16 has been found in two people with childhood-onset schizophrenia and in seven people with autism5. A deletion of the same region has also been found in five individuals with autism and in two with bipolar disorder6.

It’s more difficult to predict whether some of the other CNVs are pathogenic. But there is growing evidence that autism, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder are likely to involve similar pathways.

In November 2007, a collaboration of European geneticists reported that of 13 CNVs they had found in people with schizophrenia, only two may be pathogenic. One of those, an inherited trait, was found to disrupt the neurexin 1 gene (NRXN1), crucial for the formation of synapses. The NRXN1 gene has also been found to be deleted in some cases of autism7.

Another, in the APBA2 gene — which codes for a protein linked to Alzheimer’s disease, is a random duplication. But it is intriguing because APBA2 binds to NRXN1 and is known to be important for the normal development and functioning of synapses8.

The alpha-neurexin deletion is rare, but its presence in both disorders is striking, particularly as it was not passed down in the families. “This is not just a benign genetic variant,” says Sebat.
Baseline rate:

Although it is intriguing to ponder the genetic commonalities between autism and schizophrenia, Michael Owen, who heads the psychological medicine division at Cardiff University in the UK, suggests caution when interpreting these early results.

“We don’t yet know just how common these things are in general populations,” he says. Studies so far have used small numbers from the general population to establish a baseline rate of CNVs. Larger numbers of controls are needed for statistical significance, he says. “Until we conduct more studies, I’m concerned that these things turning up in both disorders may be due to chance.”

More work is also needed to determine how mutations in specific genes can be pathogenic in these disorders, adds Hamilton.

But Sebat’s work will help reconcile whether and how structural variants connect schizophrenia to autism, Hamilton says. “What are real boundaries between these disorders? There may not be any,” he says.

To pinpoint common mechanisms between disorders, patients should be grouped on the basis of known genetic variants — rather than by diagnosis — and by similarities and differences in brain scans or cognitive function, notes Jack McClellan, medical director of the Child Study and Treatment Center at Children’s Hospital and Regional Medical Center in Seattle, Washington.

“Using data already collected, we can flip things around and get a better understanding of which factors in neural development go wrong,” McClellan says. “It may be a case where one mutation in a gene leads to autism and a different mutation in the same gene leads to schizophrenia.”

Those differential effects may result from other genetic influences, environmental factors, or just chance9. Grouping patients by genetic variants may also help understand the spectrum of phenotypes associated with the disorders.

“If something modulates the severity of neurodevelopmental disorders,” Sebat notes, “it might be something to exploit for treatment or therapy.”



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25 Aug 2008, 12:25 pm

I personally don't see a connection with Schizophrenia.

And to the other, concerning your suggestion that it is definately 80% or greater genetically linked. Show the science. That's all I'm saying.



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25 Aug 2008, 12:27 pm

Psychotic or delusional or any of those things don't in any way apply to me so Doctor's theories are just that - their own ill-begotten theories.



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25 Aug 2008, 12:32 pm

http://www.actionbioscience.org/genomic/dougherty.html

Twin studies, however, have provided powerful evidence for the role of genetics in autism:

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One study showed that the likelihood that the identical twin of an autistic child also would be autistic was 82 percent, whereas the equivalent rate for fraternal twins was only 10 percent.2
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With sophisticated statistical techniques and numerous twin studies, behavioral geneticists now believe that as much as 90 percent of the behavioral phenotype of autism is related to inherited genes.2



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25 Aug 2008, 12:33 pm

Wouldnt have twins also have had the same envirment aswell?


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25 Aug 2008, 12:36 pm

Autism is not a cousin to schizophrenia. You don't really believe those junior league scientists, do you? It's interesting as a THEORY but it's young, with nothing but apparent evidences and coincidences. There are chromosomes that control neurology; of course these same chromosomes would be affected in unreleted conditions! I don't buy it. It's too convenient, and conflicts with proven, definitive facts.
Lengthy documentation: but it says little. Also, science removed, I dislike the connotations of that sort of theory in the public eye. I don't much feel like being doped up and institutionalized "just because".


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