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05 Sep 2008, 11:24 am

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What is your OCD? (sorry iam being very nosey)

oh yes, brushing your teeth! At least you cannot have tooth decay! So it is a very good OCD.

It is funny but you are right, OCD can give us comfort. But it can be a problem, because i HATE eating at others. But i have to sometimes. If i dont go in their kitchen it is ok. (when people are at mine and want to do the washing up, i dont like that, i have to wash after them... :oops: )

Dude, that's not OCD - that's called being normal.

So many people just dip their dirty crocks, put them on the drainer and call it washed up.
Disgusting !
Oft-times you can actually SEE food particles welded to the cutlery.

'scuse me, I think I'm gunna barf !



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05 Sep 2008, 11:28 am

Membersix, she wrote it :

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One of my quirks is that I like to brush my teeth... a lot. I like the feeling of clean teeth, fresh mouth & I do have a tendency to brush them more if I am upset..

It is not an OCD? people usually brush them 2/3 times a day. But she is doing that more often.


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05 Sep 2008, 11:29 am

I remember going to someone's house and kindly being made a cup of tea (didn't want to appear rude by declining - which I ALWAYS do now).
The tea arrived in a scummy mug - which I could have handled.

But what really turned my stomach was the irridescent rainbow sheen of grease I could see floating on top of the tea.

Man, I'd rather have drunk my own you-know-what.



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05 Sep 2008, 11:30 am

[quote="MemberSix"Doesn't change the fact that Autism, OCD, depression and anxiety are simply conditions Autism is genetic & it affects your personality, changing you at a very core level, therefor influencing your personality & interactions on every level. AS as a condition will not change, no matter what. Water analogy = If we as AS are the water, in the liquid state, then we contain we specific molecules, with very specific chemical differences, that make us water yet individual kinds of water. If you freeze the water then we still are the same water it's just our molecules are reorganized, but still containing the same chemical makeup, & the only way for us to lose those chemicals all together is to die thusly becoming Vapor (spirit)
just as OCD and Autism aren't part of who you are. Sure they are ... Some parts of the "condition" are changable. but others are not... if it can't be changed, then it IS part of you.

Autism isn't a personality trait. ~ no but it affects your personality, there is no cure, you can't get away from it, you can't put it down, & it is only changable to a certain point. Neither is OCD. OCD is treatable, however, some OCD's give comfort. Why give them up to make others more comfortable
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05 Sep 2008, 11:31 am

oops sorry membersix, i didnt understand you were talking about the washing up.


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05 Sep 2008, 11:40 am

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[quote="MemberSix"Doesn't change the fact that Autism, OCD, depression and anxiety are simply conditions Autism is genetic & it affects your personality, changing you at a very core level, therefor influencing your personality & interactions on every level. AS as a condition will not change, no matter what. Water analogy = If we as AS are the water, in the liquid state, then we contain we specific molecules, with very specific chemical differences, that make us water yet individual kinds of water. If you freeze the water then we still are the same water it's just our molecules are reorganized, but still containing the same chemical makeup, & the only way for us to lose those chemicals all together is to die thusly becoming Vapor (spirit)
just as OCD and Autism aren't part of who you are. Sure they are ... Some parts of the "condition" are changable. but others are not... if it can't be changed, then it IS part of you.

Autism isn't a personality trait. ~ no but it affects your personality, there is no cure, you can't get away from it, you can't put it down, & it is only changable to a certain point. Neither is OCD. OCD is treatable, however, some OCD's give comfort. Why give them up to make others more comfortable
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Quite a few Autistic children recover from Autism during a cold/fever - with a complete cessation of Autistic symptomologies.
That's how we know that it's a condition.

That it pervades so many aspects of your mental life makes it no less a condition.
You're looking at it very subjectively.



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05 Sep 2008, 3:03 pm

Quite a few Autistic children recover (poor choice of words, should be suffer less effect ) from Autism during a cold/fever - with a complete cessation of Autistic symptomologies. Additionally the children studied had 80% with some improvement & 30% had dramatic improvement however they did NOT quantify the study with the statistics of how impaired they were.

ONLY during the fever do the autistic tendencies decrease, when fever leaves so does the ability to be "recovered". It's called the "Fever Effect" THEY ARE NOT RECOVERED FROM. While the child is sick they have less Austic tendencies, but 1 week after the fever was gone the children returned to their former behavior. The researcher believe it may be due to the Immune system producing Cytokines. It could also be that the fevers are causing brain damage, a temporary .

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=16956039
http://photoninthedarkness.com/?m=200712
http://www.autismspeaks.org/community/f ... php?t=3552

That's how we know that it's a condition. <--- Inaccurate deduction... because with that way of thinking a NT person suffering from a fever could become delusional <--- does that mean the neurotypical brain fuction is a "condition"????? and the delusional state it their true state.

That it pervades so many aspects of your mental life makes it no less a condition. I will continue to think that my Autism not only is part of me but it makes me who I am... With your way of thinking "you are broken & suffering from a condition" Instead I am trying to accept it is as just part of me as a whole. I am recently dx'd as AS and with that dx a lot of the "why's" I am different are answered. All I have to do now is stop chasing the NT's idea of what I should be and start being happy with who I am. Realize I am different & that it is okay, find a way to function and excel in my differentness.

You're looking at it very subjectively. And your looking at it very inaccurately. [/quote]



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05 Sep 2008, 4:02 pm

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Quite a few Autistic children recover (poor choice of words, should be suffer less effect ) from Autism during a cold/fever - with a complete cessation of Autistic symptomologies. Additionally the children studied had 80% with some improvement & 30% had dramatic improvement however they did NOT quantify the study with the statistics of how impaired they were.

ONLY during the fever do the autistic tendencies decrease, when fever leaves so does the ability to be "recovered". It's called the "Fever Effect" THEY ARE NOT RECOVERED FROM. While the child is sick they have less Austic tendencies, but 1 week after the fever was gone the children returned to their former behavior. The researcher believe it may be due to the Immune system producing Cytokines. It could also be that the fevers are causing brain damage, a temporary .

Rubbish.
You're suggesting that colds cause brain-damage ?
Sorry, but that's just dumb.
The remission of symptoms is the remission of Autism.
It's accepted that Autism is an auto-immune disorder.
Why should it be any surprise that immuno-stimulation has major effects on it ?

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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16956039
http://photoninthedarkness.com/?m=200712
http://www.autismspeaks.org/community/f ... php?t=3552

That's how we know that it's a condition. <--- Inaccurate deduction... because with that way of thinking a NT person suffering from a fever could become delusional <--- does that mean the neurotypical brain fuction is a "condition"????? and the delusional state it their true state.

Everybody's on the spectrum - it's simply that when the symptoms become socially pathological (NB : - not sociopathic), they're classified as ASD.
NT's are simply further up the scale towards the functional end than ASDers.
Stop treating them as another species.

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That it pervades so many aspects of your mental life makes it no less a condition. I will continue to think that my Autism not only is part of me but it makes me who I am... With your way of thinking "you are broken & suffering from a condition" Instead I am trying to accept it is as just part of me as a whole. I am recently dx'd as AS and with that dx a lot of the "why's" I am different are answered. All I have to do now is stop chasing the NT's idea of what I should be and start being happy with who I am. Realize I am different & that it is okay, find a way to function and excel in my differentness.

You're looking at it very subjectively. And your looking at it very inaccurately.
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I suggest you read up some more.



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06 Sep 2008, 7:32 am

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cursed_brunette wrote:
Quite a few Autistic children recover (poor choice of words, should be suffer less effect ) from Autism during a cold/fever - with a complete cessation of Autistic symptomologies. Additionally the children studied had 80% with some improvement & 30% had dramatic improvement however they did NOT quantify the study with the statistics of how impaired they were.

ONLY during the fever do the autistic tendencies decrease, when fever leaves so does the ability to be "recovered". It's called the "Fever Effect" THEY ARE NOT RECOVERED FROM. While the child is sick they have less Austic tendencies, but 1 week after the fever was gone the children returned to their former behavior. The researcher believe it may be due to the Immune system producing Cytokines. It could also be that the fevers are causing brain damage, a temporary .

Rubbish.
You're suggesting that colds cause brain-damage ? DER~ No I didn't BUT FEVERS CAN AND DO!! !

Funny ~ When Googling "what causes Autism..." I got :

http://www.autism-society.org/site/Page ... whatcauses

There is no known single cause for autism, but it is generally accepted that it is caused by abnormalities in brain structure or function. Brain scans show differences in the shape and structure of the brain in children with autism versus neuro-typical children. Researchers are investigating a number of theories, including the link between heredity, genetics and medical problems. In many families, there appears to be a pattern of autism or related disabilities, further supporting a genetic basis to the disorder. While no one gene has been identified as causing autism, researchers are searching for irregular segments of genetic code that children with autism may have inherited. It also appears that some children are born with a susceptibility to autism, but researchers have not yet identified a single "trigger" that causes autism to develop.

Other researchers are investigating the possibility that under certain conditions, a cluster of unstable genes may interfere with brain development, resulting in autism. Still other researchers are investigating problems during pregnancy or delivery as well as environmental factors, such as viral infections, metabolic imbalances, and exposure to environmental chemicals.

Try Googling it yourself.

IF THEY KNEW what causes Autism then they could try to treat the cause rather than of just the SYMPTOMS OF.

I for one do not treat or think of NT's as a separate species. They are neither better nor worse, we are just different.


I suggest you read up some more.[/quote] And to quote you, I suggest not only to you "read up" some more but also actually try & see more than just your point of view.

Look this isn't even worth my time anymore.



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06 Sep 2008, 8:54 am

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Rubbish.
You're suggesting that colds cause brain-damage ? DER~ No I didn't BUT FEVERS CAN AND DO!! !

Wrong again - fevers in themselves cause no damage.
Over a particular, extremely high temperature, the brain starts to sustain damage.
That's not a function of immuno-stimulation, it's purely a function of overheating/cooking ... which can also be sustained during heat exhaustion due to extreme ambient temperatures, sunstroke, etc.

cursed_brunette wrote:
Look this isn't even worth my time anymore.

Nor mine, but I had to clear that one up.



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06 Sep 2008, 10:34 am

Hey, I thought this thread was about OCD not about colds...


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06 Sep 2008, 11:16 am

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Hey, I thought this thread was about OCD not about colds...
...THANK YOU!! ! :wink:


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06 Sep 2008, 11:27 am

You might try using humor as an answer...

Remember that most of us find humor in things that are different or out of place. To your family and friends, your OCD behavior is different or out of place, so to them it is humorous (be glad they don't find it alarming or disgusting!).

So, maybe you could go with it: "Yep, I'm OCD...gotta have a different cheese knife for every cheese or I break out in hives. You may think it's funny, but you're not the one who has to wash 132 pieces of cutlery after every party!"

If you play up the humanity-foible aspect of your behavior in a self-accepting, self-deprecating humorous, way, the world tends to respond with kindness and affection. Not ONE Of us on this planet doesn't have 'differences'. The key is to understand that the world sees us as slightly different and be okay with that and with ourselves.



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06 Sep 2008, 12:03 pm

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"Yep, I'm OCD...gotta have a different cheese knife for every cheese or I break out in hives. You may think it's funny, but you're not the one who has to wash 132 pieces of cutlery after every party!"



LOL, i find it very funny!! !


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06 Sep 2008, 12:08 pm

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"Yep, I'm OCD...gotta have a different cheese knife for every cheese or I break out in hives. You may think it's funny, but you're not the one who has to wash 132 pieces of cutlery after every party!"



LOL, i find it very funny!! !

I guess in its own way, it's actually quite impressive.
And funny. :D



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06 Sep 2008, 12:20 pm

...is a great bridge between people. Too bad our politicians don't understand that! :wink: