The perfect degree for Aspies: Accounting

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15 Nov 2005, 10:06 pm

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Well, it depends on what your doing and what your attitude is toward it. I used to think exactly like that myself but to tell the truth when I started reading up on the COSO and Cobit sites the kinds of stuff they had fascinated me. Auditing especially is about diving in to internal controls in companies (ie. the processes information passes through that act as natural checks against fraud, mistakes, etc.) and doing substantive tests with transactions to follow everything through the main 7 transaction cycles to make sure it checks out all the way through the process.


Are you an auditor? I don't think I would ever last in auditing because it is too subjective and too social. Most auditors (except in house internal auditors, and even then) deal with people a lot, usually clients. Public accounting (that is public, not corporate accounting) in general is a highly extroverted environment. The can and will get rid of you for no reason other than they don't like you. Actually today someone (an NT) said that he was very literal. I think that is the first time I have heard an NT say that. The people who do well in accounting have traits much like ours, such as being literal or introverted.

As for the subject matter, it is not a good idea to think that because you think of some subject in school a certain way that you will think about that subject in the real world that way. School is nothing like the real world. Because you don't like something for 4 years in school doesn't have anything to do with whether you would like it for 40 years in the working world.



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15 Nov 2005, 10:08 pm

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Double entry accounting, so logical. It all has to balance. Love it. Got accounting job, bought a textbook and learned it on the fly, tho ended up in charge of other people but was already a little older so could fake normal interactions and since it was all so objective discussions were easier. First started with Televideo computer running CPM, then the Lisa, so tho am still only an enduser I could pick up the computing stuff relatively easy back then and in land of blind, one eyed man is king. Lost one job when boss swore and yelled at me and I asked for an apology and he said "F--- You" so I didn't know proper response so picked up my chair and threw it at his head. Lost that job.


Had some other accounting jobs tho, when I couldn't do other things, but long term career goals have never really been that important to me so would move on when bored.


What do you do now? Have you been pretty successful in accounting?



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16 Nov 2005, 2:21 am

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I've actually considered accounting. Don't you have to have really good math skils? I have tried for years to comprehend algebra, unsuccessfully. :oops:


Depends. What you need is good numeric reasoning, good basic math, and you have to understand a lot of the basic finance equasions at least well enough (ie. mostly business-math).


You don't need to know any finance equations in accounting. The most complex it gets is a simple ratio like profits divided into sales. It doesn't get more complicated than that.


Well, you do to get through Intro to Finance and know how to do all the time-value of money stuff that you do in intermediate accounting ;)


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16 Nov 2005, 10:44 am

>>Had some other accounting jobs tho, when I couldn't do other things, but long term career goals have never really been that important to me so would move on when bored. <<


>What do you do now? Have you been pretty successful in accounting?<

Not successful, really. And maybe I wasn't so much an accountant as a bookkeeper.

I do have one part time job I do out of home for a small real estate holding company. I get checks in the mail and bills and make deposits and pay bills and reconcile the statements and do their taxes. Simple cash flow projections. Pretty much work when I want as long as everything gets paid on time and only see someone once a month when he comes over and signs checks. He knows me for 30 years so isn't expecting NT interactions, i.e. I don't have to dress up or make any small talk unless I want to.

Know another guy who runs a bigger but still small corporation who cals me and emails me to review stuff he is wrestling with. Even sometimes I have suggested legal strategies to him he has had his attorneys carry out. He doesn't have me go to meetings because I get frustrated when petty bureaucrats good at smoozing and office politics because they are good at that stuff (I am terrible at it) get in positions where they can dumb down the dialogue. I have been known to yell at people. But he knows me well enough that we can talk about business at hand and no need to wear the NT mask.

My wife does a craft business so I do her accounting and logistical support for lining up shows and stuff.

Somehow along the line I managed to end up in my own house that is paid for so housing costs are minimal and all my kids have moved out and are capable of caring for themselves so costs are low. Mainly we do without a lot of stuff Americans take for granted and are comfortable living below what is considered the poverty line. But I don't feel poor. Live in country so heat with wood. Stuff like that. A garden. Yard sales, flea markets and auctions instead of the mall.


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16 Nov 2005, 7:47 pm

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Well, you do to get through Intro to Finance and know how to do all the time-value of money stuff that you do in intermediate accounting ;)


In school you may use a little of this. In the real world of work you never will.



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13 Jan 2011, 9:44 pm

I'm an accounting major so I was wondering about this. I love the actual hands-on stuff I do for my classes (I've learned I'm even more of a hands-on learner than a visual one!) but I worry about my abysmal (but maybe getting better, I have no way to tell, I work around techies all day) social skills. Also my tendency for overload. I've discussed that with my worker at rehabilitative services and we came to the conclusion that I may never be able to work full time...so far the most I've been able to handle without any sort of meltdown or shutdown is 20hrs a week. I am, however, also a full time student. So if my work is anywhere near as tolerable as going to school and working 18hrs a week in a computer lab I believe I can do it.

Technically my BS (working on my AS right now) will be in Accounting Information Systems I think. I dream of working behind the scenes somewhere. I guess I just want some idea of what kind of accounting job would work for me...


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14 Jan 2011, 12:01 am

That would not work for me.



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14 Jan 2011, 1:29 am

I was the best in class in accounting, but it is extremely boring, I just happen to be naturally good at it, while sucking at regular maths. I would rather work in something more dinamical and idealistic, politics or diplomacy, or law, or being a CEO, or whatever, I'd rather be f^cking poor than being an accountant.
"Computer programmer: I don't like programming
Software engineer: same as above
Systems analyst : same as above
Database administrator/analyst: idem
Network/server administrator: idem
Physicist: I like the theory behind physics but complex numbers arent my thing
Astronomer: same as above
Chemist:same as above
Professor at a university: i get angry when confronted with wrong arguments
Industrial engineer: same as for physicist, etc
Civil engineer: I prefer urban design, more artistic and idealistic
Mathematician: I simply hate maths
Philosopher: not practical enough
Carpenter: dyspraxia
Sculptor: not my thing
Painter: I'd love to, but maybe as a secondary job/hobby
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14 Jan 2011, 1:45 am

Accounting sounds boring. Definitely not my thing.



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14 Jan 2011, 3:25 am

I majored in accounting twice and found it pretty easy. Unfortunately college and I did not get along. :(



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14 Jan 2011, 3:26 pm

HugoBlack wrote:
I would recommend accounting to anyone with AS. You simply cannot beat it.


I wouldn't. Not to "anyone with AS."

If numbers are your "thing" and it floats your boat, that's great, but let's not forget AS is a spectrum, and not everyone with AS is enamored with the same things.

I love math, but my "thing" is theoretical math. I love exploring complicated puzzles and exploring the nature of numbers and math, but the idea of accounting scares the hell out of me because it bores me to death. And yes, I have studied how it works, and it's definitely NOT for me.

There are too many "rules" that must be followed. I don't mind the kind of "rules" that exist naturally in math based science, but accounting applies rules based on non math based laws and regulations. That alone turns me off instantly.

If I were to go into a mathematical profession (and I did consider it at one time) it would have to be one that allows for a great deal of creative thinking. And we all know what sort of trouble "creative accounting" can cause. :lol:


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14 Jan 2011, 6:01 pm

I am NT, but I have my degree in accounting. Getting the degree was FAR more difficult than the work itself There is some degree of social interactions with others in the office, but a lot of the work is meticulous, routine and repetitive. I really liked balancing bank accounts and reconciling accounts. But overall, it was just too boring for me. I wanted to do something a bit more creative. The math involved in getting the degree is much more difficult than what you will ever use in the real world. It is basically, addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. It is more about knowing when to add, subtract,divide, or multiply.

Funny thing is, my son is on the spectrum and my husband is a computer engineer. Both of us are NT, but my husband has a few AS traits. I have often wondered if the combination of our genes is what caused our son's AS .



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14 Jan 2011, 7:30 pm

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I have often wondered if the combination of our genes is what caused our son's AS .


I've been wondering the same kind of thing about myself and my parents. I've theorized that AS and all Autism may result from a number of different gene combinations. It sure would explain why it's such a wide spectrum. They say ADD is also a spectrum, and I agree it is, but I've not yet seen the breadth and depth in that spectrum that I see with the Autistic.


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14 Jan 2011, 8:37 pm

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For me at least, accounting isn't the best career option. I dislike doing calculations, and I tend to make small mistakes occasionally when I do. I do agree, though, that at least many aspects of an accountant's job duties are probably more suited for people who have Asperger's syndrome than many other jobs are.

Some other common choices people with Asperger's syndrome make are these:

  • Computer programmer
  • Software engineer
  • Systems analyst
  • Database administrator/analyst
  • Network/server administrator
  • Physicist
  • Astronomer
  • Chemist
  • Professor at a university
  • Industrial engineer
  • Civil engineer
  • Mathematician
  • Philosopher
  • Carpenter
  • Sculptor
  • Painter
Actually, there is a surprising diversity of career paths people with AS have successfully chosen. If people with Asperger's learn their talents and limitations, they can work to compensate for what they lack and cut the path that fits them, even if it may be more challenging than it would be for a NeuroTypical (NT).


I HATE accounting, but could easily do at least 8 of the jobs you listed, including the top 5.



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14 Jan 2011, 9:10 pm

HugoBlack wrote:
The perfect degree for Aspies: Accounting


Heh, not this Aspie.



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14 Jan 2011, 9:12 pm

I took an accounting class once and absolutely was awful at it! The only way I would be one is if I had a computer with the right program and all I had to do was enter data and hit the enter key, letting the computer do the actual accounting for me...