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samtoo
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03 Sep 2008, 7:44 am

Many people with AS I've spoken to have a good to exceptional grasp of language skills.

I guess the theory that one with AS can't use metaphors is a mere stereotype... some can't - I guess it depends on the individual and what parts of the brain are opened up or shut off or whatnot... and their skills may lie elsewhere.

Some of the great creative writers out there have AS though.


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05 Sep 2008, 8:50 am

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I use analogies to explain and think about a lot.

It's a natural form of expression and especially of understanding for me, I think. It's just that so many things are similar to others and I see no boundaries between them that would make cross-references impossible or unlikely.

So far, I almost always found that nobody understands my explanation if I use analogies.

Ion the other hand don't understand how many students can think in one topic at a time and not see how it connects to everything else, how it is similar to something else and how the two though totally different in content would support or explain each other.

I want to say I cannot do what they can do. Seeing just 1 thing and being able to focus on that 1 thing. Apparently though they also have trouble doing what I naturally do, which is interesting.




Analogies are the way I think always.

Sora you have just described EXACTLY how I think!! For sure I figured no one in the world [but me] could do this. Thanks so much for posting. I can't stop thinking like this, it's basically who i am...and makes it impossible to stay on topic unless this just happens to be the topic which it is now...

I'm always saying to myself ....this person is arriving at some conclusion based on this kind of leap in his/her thinking....now if they are doing that here and thusly...why can't they understand there is the exact same TYPE of connection going on over there ...but they don't seem to get it. I think this may somehow be a savant ability...people like you and i who can do this ...it may come naturally to us to compute a kind of 'mathematical' or 'quantitative' relationship between concept correlations and we can assess this in a nanosecond ...i'm sure it's the same with you...it happens faster than the speed of light [how can you stop that?]....because in no way can i stop doing this it puts a damper on my ability to focus as others do and is an obstacle to effective communication.


Just one more thing. There is something called Metaphor Therapy. Anyone heard of this? The people having written most about it are so left brain oriented and explain things in a way that is so totally alienating and difficult to understand...but one of these days maybe ...I hope to read the textbook on it - Metaphors in Mind by James Lawley and Penny Tompkins - and simplify what they're saying, in less scientific parlance that more people would understand.

Will try make another post later when not so busy. Thanks to OP and Sedaka also. For me this is most important thread ever, can you guys keep it alive..?



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05 Sep 2008, 9:38 am

I am really delighted I started this thread and that some are finding it of value. Reading all the contributions just goes to show that there are so many creative and beautiful people in the autistic spectrum.

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05 Sep 2008, 4:05 pm

Electric_Kite wrote:
sartresue wrote:
"One swallow does not make a summer"


It is the 'moral' at the end of one of the fables of Aesop (620-560 BC). In the story, this guy sees a swallow, thinks, "Summer's here and I won't need my coat," and sells his coat. He immediately spends the money he got for it, but shortly after there's a freeze and he's left shivering miserably without a coat.

It seems to me that whoever explained this one to you was a bit of a dip, since I imagine that the entire thing would make perfect sense and you would have needed no questions if he'd just told you the little story. How inefficient to let you flounder over it.

If someone says "One swallow does not make a summer" the entire scenario of the story comes to my mind, as well as the illustration in the book of fables I had as a child, picturing the shivering coatless man standing on a frozen pond looking at the dead swallow lying on the ice at his feet.

I often make up metaphors that are incoherent to others, and then accidentally use them in conversation. Or deliberately, because I think they're good ones and want other people to use them, too. This does not generally go over well.


Jumping to conclusions topic

I bolded part of your interpretation to highlight that my interpretation of the Swallow metaphor is correct. The man jumped to conclusions regarding the onset of summer and so he sold his coat. My thinking logically about this saying was not in error.

Alternatively, the onset of Autumn cannot be concluded just because one sees one goose heading south. Usually many flocks are in the sky (in a V formation)! Conversely, in the Spring they head back from the south, and so one goose would not make it Spring, either! :P


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05 Sep 2008, 6:20 pm

sartresue wrote:
I bolded part of your interpretation to highlight that my interpretation of the Swallow metaphor is correct. The man jumped to conclusions regarding the onset of summer and so he sold his coat. My thinking logically about this saying was not in error.


Bold the paragraph after that. I wasn't saying your interpretation is incorrect. It's absolutely correct.

What I was saying is that whoever explained it to you wasted your time by not telling you the story immediately. Or at all, from your account. They told you what a swallow is, told you that just one is insufficient evidence of summer, told you that the "one swallow does not make a summer" saying means not to jump to conclusions, and yet never gave you the narrative with the relevant image, which is all the information you needed.



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06 Sep 2008, 8:16 am

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Thank you everyone.

I would like to put this question to those on the spectrum who have a right brain dominance.

I do not feel that empathy is a virtue, it is just a sense, however, it is has been due to my highly advanced adaptive skills such as feeling, intuition, emotional expression and empathy(emotional and cognitive) that has all my life contributed to me (and the so called 'professionals') thinking that all my complex expressions of autism were purely to be seen in psychological terms

I would like to put two questions to those who feel they have a right brained dominance.


1 Do you you feel that like me maths, science, computer games, and rational thought are of little or no interest interest to you compared to say things like art, asthetics, philosophy, spirituality and human relationships. In other words, the landscape of the heart is where you dwell?

2 Do you feel that having AS and yet being more right brained you have a greater ability to be able to experience (emotional empathy) more so that the more common left brained dominated aspie?
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1. I am extremely intuitive. Interest in spirituality, compassion and natural healing is high priority. Also interest in math, physics, and other science but less so. I can usually balance left and right brain. When either emotions or logic dominate, I try to be aware that I'm out of balance. I'm definitely not the more common left brained aspie. I try to stay in the depths of my heart at all times yet feel I'm only very slightly right brain dominated if at all.

2. I have a lot of empathy for animals and all of nature. I have absolutely zero empathy for herd mentality and comformity behavior just to conform. I also have zero tolerance for people who refuse to think for themselves and are just regurgitating what they've been conditioned to do or believe. Every waking moment I'm trying to be true to myself and to do the "right" thing according to my own standards. If I get in touch with someone who has more integrity than I have, I do my best to stretch up to their level.