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NeantHumain
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02 Sep 2008, 5:32 pm

It says something about one's intellect if one wants creationism, or intelligent design, taught as science in public schools. People who say intelligent design and evolution are on equal scientific footing are being disingenious, and this hurts their credibility. She's also a big advocate of gun rights although lip service to gun rights is now pretty much the norm, even among Democrats, in national politics.

On the other hand, it is strange that a social and religious conservative would have a 17-year-old daughter who's 5 months pregnant; her professed values don't seem to mean much to her own family.

All in all, she's a conservative, and conservatives are unlikely to get substantial accolades from me (unless she can somehow forebear from her personal beliefs).



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02 Sep 2008, 5:36 pm

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02 Sep 2008, 5:56 pm

I respect her for having her child with downs syndrome and I think she has good points. However I'm worried about her view on the enviromnent... That seems to be a major strike against her.



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02 Sep 2008, 6:33 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
On the other hand, it is strange that a social and religious conservative would have a 17-year-old daughter who's 5 months pregnant; her professed values don't seem to mean much to her own family.


I don't think the 17-yr-old had her mother's "approval" to go out and get pregnant. It happens to all sorts of families, regardless of religious or political persuasion. At some point, you have to try and trust your kids, especially when they're older teens. No matter what values you try to instill in them, some of them will still sneak out and do things that their parents would never approve of. Apparently the girl has some of her mother's values -- at least she didn't sneak off (again) and get a quickie abortion. She's going to do the responsible thing and raise the child, which is exactly what I would tell my own daughter if the same thing ever happened to her.


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02 Sep 2008, 7:10 pm

Everyone likes Palin and no one has anything bad to say about her.
Case closed. It was just a slow news day and they had nothing better to do.

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The Obama campaign is making a mistake...
I don't believe that for a minute. There would be no point. Granted, I don't watch a lot of TV,
but I haven't heard them say anything at all. All I see is Obama telling the Media to back off Bristol Palin...

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...and the media is no better. CNN and MSNBC's relentless coverage...who cares?
Exactly. It's the media, as usual, that's fabricating problems where there are none, and distracting us from the real issues. The media itself is the real enemy of everything that is good about the US. If they look hard enough, they can always find some idiot somewhere who will say something stupid. This week, it's nonsense about Palin. Next week it will be some other nonsense. They are not Democrats or Republicans. They are just trolls.
Bread and Circuses. Anything but real issues.


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02 Sep 2008, 7:29 pm

I do not like introducing creationism in to the science class room which IMO would be like introducing the tooth fairy into dentistry schools as a valid means for dental patients to pay for their astronomical dental bills.



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02 Sep 2008, 7:33 pm

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Agreed. Ever since McCain announced that Palin would be his VP running mate, that's all everyone's been talking about. I'm a conservative Democrat who will probably vote for McCain in the end(and not because he suddenly added Palin to the ticket). I think a lot of the criticism against the poor woman and her daughter is uncalled-for. I also think it's awfully funny that Obama has only 160 (roughly) actual days in the Senate before running for Prez (the rest of it has been spent on the campaign trail). Palin has over 550 days as an elected Governor of a state. She was a mayor before that for several years. The Obama camp is trying to compare running his multi-million dollar campaign to Palin's mayoral budget rather laughable --as if running a campaign is the same as executive experience! I don't think so... Obama isn't running his own campaign, anyway - the Democratic Party is.

Palin may not be 'quite ready' to be president, either, but her creds are more extensive than Obama's when it comes to executive experience. In fact, she has more executive experience than Obama, Biden and even McCain, on paper. The Obama campaign is making a mistake by trying to highlight Palin's inexperience. In a sense, it makes Obama's look even worse by comparison. I agree with some of the other posters here - the Dems seem to be afraid of Palin, otherwise they wouldn't be making such attacks. The way the Democratic party treats female candidates is despicable, and the media is no better. CNN and MSNBC's relentless coverage of Bristol Palin's pregnancy is both silly and disgusting. I mean, in this day and age, who cares?


Well said. Attempts to discredit Palin are silly and counterproductive. Vice presidents attend lots of dinners and act as glorified tour guides for foreign dignitaries unless of course you are Dick Cheney in which case none of the above holds but generally it is not a job that demands too much. The Democrat gay vegan blogger is now so riled up that they are literally working round the clock into a discombobulated lather. Imagine that, going after a working mum… Can they be any more vicious? And you are right about the experience debate. Obama cannot claim to have any more experience than Palin and it is really Palin who can claim more legislative accomplishments than Obama can. More importantly, with Palin in the picture, the comparison will now be between Obama-Palin and McCain-Biden. Poor Obama, he has to do battle with a mother of five kids.



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02 Sep 2008, 7:45 pm

Rainstorm5 wrote:
NeantHumain wrote:
On the other hand, it is strange that a social and religious conservative would have a 17-year-old daughter who's 5 months pregnant; her professed values don't seem to mean much to her own family.


I don't think the 17-yr-old had her mother's "approval" to go out and get pregnant. It happens to all sorts of families, regardless of religious or political persuasion. At some point, you have to try and trust your kids, especially when they're older teens. No matter what values you try to instill in them, some of them will still sneak out and do things that their parents would never approve of. Apparently the girl has some of her mother's values -- at least she didn't sneak off (again) and get a quickie abortion. She's going to do the responsible thing and raise the child, which is exactly what I would tell my own daughter if the same thing ever happened to her.


What gets lost in all this shouting is the Christian notion of forgiveness and redemption. According to the conservative code, it is wrong to have pre-marital sex. But among the sins you might commit, teenagers who express their love through an act of physical intimacy will not be sent straight to hell. Plus, they are getting married. Even though they are young, the fact that they are going to do the right thing by having the baby and forming a family will resonate powerfully. Palin runs on the ticket of being human; and to err is human. Christian conservatism is not defined by the quest for perfection, which is actually blasphemous, but by how man should recognize and deal with the mistakes that he has made.



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02 Sep 2008, 7:48 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
It says something about one's intellect if one wants creationism, or intelligent design, taught as science in public schools. People who say intelligent design and evolution are on equal scientific footing are being disingenious, and this hurts their credibility.


Oh, really? Or is it that the "real scientists" don't want to debate the topic?

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02 Sep 2008, 8:13 pm

Oh wow, I can prove Creationism is real, God is real, there are dinosaurs in the Bible, and the earth is only 6000 years old, all for only $99? WOW! Does it come with a miracle blade too???

As for those who think there is no dirt on Palin, there is plenty. She is currently under investigation for abuse of power regarding the firing of Mr. Walt Monegan, she is pro-life even in cases of rape or incest and would like to see laws limiting others reproductive rights put into place, she is anti-gay marriage, she has a terrible track record with the environment, she wants to teach creationism in schools, she believes abstinence-only sex ed is the most effective (hello, Bristol!) and don't even get me started again on how irresponsible she was when her 5th child was born.

And the reason I am so worried about her being VP is that John McCain is already 72, and he really doesn't seem all that healthy anymore (or mentally stable for that matter). There is a very good chance that if elected, Palin will end up serving out his term.



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02 Sep 2008, 8:25 pm

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02 Sep 2008, 9:07 pm

Tahitiii wrote:
Everyone likes Palin and no one has anything bad to say about her.
Case closed. It was just a slow news day and they had nothing better to do.

Rainstorm5 wrote:
The Obama campaign is making a mistake...
I don't believe that for a minute. There would be no point. Granted, I don't watch a lot of TV,
but I haven't heard them say anything at all. All I see is Obama telling the Media to back off Bristol Palin...

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...and the media is no better. CNN and MSNBC's relentless coverage...who cares?
Exactly. It's the media, as usual, that's fabricating problems where there are none, and distracting us from the real issues. The media itself is the real enemy of everything that is good about the US. If they look hard enough, they can always find some idiot somewhere who will say something stupid. This week, it's nonsense about Palin. Next week it will be some other nonsense. They are not Democrats or Republicans. They are just trolls.
Bread and Circuses. Anything but real issues.


you forget media are manipulated by their sponsors and party money


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02 Sep 2008, 10:16 pm

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Everywhere I turn it seems that people are talking about Palin. All of a sudden this campaign is no longer about a black guy running for president but about a woman with a Down Syndrome baby and a pregnant teenage daughter running for vice-president. The selection for Palin as McCain's running mate has so far been brilliant. The momentum towards Obama has been broken.


don't you believe it, Zeno. you will see. :wink:

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02 Sep 2008, 10:22 pm

Tahitiii wrote:
Bread and Circuses. Anything but real issues.


McCain Campaign Manager Rick Davis: "This election is not about issues. This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix ... ion_i.html


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02 Sep 2008, 10:24 pm

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Everywhere I turn it seems that people are talking about Palin. All of a sudden this campaign is no longer about a black guy running for president but about a woman with a Down Syndrome baby and a pregnant teenage daughter running for vice-president. The selection for Palin as McCain's running mate has so far been brilliant. The momentum towards Obama has been broken.


Todd Palin, husband of Sarah, was a member of the secessionist Alaska Independence Party from 1995 through 2002. That's the information we just got from the Alaska Division of elections.

Probably not coincidentally, 2002 was the first time Sarah Palin ran for statewide office in Alaska.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.c ... d_memb.php


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02 Sep 2008, 10:35 pm

The selection is "brilliant"? Huh? Much of the press devoted to Palin relates to scandal. Which is unsurprising, given that she was a complete unknown until last Friday. (I know I'm biased, but I thought it was a bit bush league of McCain to try and take the focus away from Obama so quickly, after what was undeniably a historic moment.) Palin probably helps McCain with religious conservatives, but not so much with moderates. I agree with McCain's staff person in that this campaign has veered away from the issues--but I think that happened a long time ago. McCain contributed to it with the whole stupid "Obama is a celebrity" meme. Personally, I couldn't care a wit about Palin's family, but I do care about her various incidents of possible corruption, dubious associations (AIP), and extreme politics.