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10 Sep 2008, 12:08 pm

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If you don't have a professional diagnosis, your suspicions regarding one are irrelevant.

Interesting leap to defensiveness and false conclusions. I didn't say that you can't read - I said that you didn't read. Thus, once again proving that you didn't read it. Perhaps you are right, however - your persistent errors make me begin to suspect that your reading comprehension is lacking.

It's also interesting how you draw the truly bizarre conclusion that I must believe that everyone who has autism has to be exactly like me. I made no such assertion. Non sequitur.

I asked the question, "Am I to assume from your wording that you would have been equally irresponsible in allowing a destructive, violent creature to run about, and then yourself assaulted me?" This is an interrogative - note the question mark. I asked this question based on your statement, "God help you if that had been my son." I interpreted this statement as a threat, and inquired if this interpretation was correct. As an autistic, I have no way of knowing if my interpretation is correct, you see, so I must ask. Hence the question. I am certain you will deny it, but it is reasonable to interpret that particular statement as a threat. Do you often threaten strangers?

You are quite argumentative, with no basis, apparently simply because you disapprove of my actions. I suggest you deal with your own emotional reaction to this issue before you make any more errors in logic. Your attempt to debate is quite nonsensical. Argumentative people are poor parents because they model poor behaviors for their children. People who threaten people are poor parents. People who threaten strangers are poor parents. Your child is probably fortunate it's still alive. Now go deal with your own issues. Definitely see a mental health professional. You definitely need at least one DSM diagnosis.


You are correct, I do disapprove of your actions, however, I don't see where I'm getting emotional, or irrational. You are the one who has so far personally attacked my intelligence, parenting, and mental health, with absolutely no basis. None of those things have anything to do with this conversation, nor do you know any of it to be true in any way.



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10 Sep 2008, 12:16 pm

serenity wrote:
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If you don't have a professional diagnosis, your suspicions regarding one are irrelevant.

Interesting leap to defensiveness and false conclusions. I didn't say that you can't read - I said that you didn't read. Thus, once again proving that you didn't read it. Perhaps you are right, however - your persistent errors make me begin to suspect that your reading comprehension is lacking.

It's also interesting how you draw the truly bizarre conclusion that I must believe that everyone who has autism has to be exactly like me. I made no such assertion. Non sequitur.

I asked the question, "Am I to assume from your wording that you would have been equally irresponsible in allowing a destructive, violent creature to run about, and then yourself assaulted me?" This is an interrogative - note the question mark. I asked this question based on your statement, "God help you if that had been my son." I interpreted this statement as a threat, and inquired if this interpretation was correct. As an autistic, I have no way of knowing if my interpretation is correct, you see, so I must ask. Hence the question. I am certain you will deny it, but it is reasonable to interpret that particular statement as a threat. Do you often threaten strangers?

You are quite argumentative, with no basis, apparently simply because you disapprove of my actions. I suggest you deal with your own emotional reaction to this issue before you make any more errors in logic. Your attempt to debate is quite nonsensical. Argumentative people are poor parents because they model poor behaviors for their children. People who threaten people are poor parents. People who threaten strangers are poor parents. Your child is probably fortunate it's still alive. Now go deal with your own issues. Definitely see a mental health professional. You definitely need at least one DSM diagnosis.


You are correct, I do disapprove of your actions, however, I don't see where I'm getting emotional, or irrational. You are the one who has so far personally attacked my intelligence, parenting, and mental health, with absolutely no basis. None of those things have anything to do with this conversation, nor do you know any of it to be true in any way.
I absolutely agree with Serenity..I have read her posts for several months, and she is very understanding, wise, empathetic..she does not attack, while ,I will say,eigenvalue, you do come across as provoking an attack, whether it be in a park or on a website forum..This is all getting very vicious, and i wish this topic could cease for awhile. While I do agree on an eye for an eye in the criminal justice system, such as a murderer getting the death penalty, I cannot condone throwing stones at a child because she is throwing stones at a bird, it is just too mean-spirited..My mother-in-law used to say if the little kids bit, to bite them back..and I thought how utterly stupid that was..Do not hurt a child, instead, TALK to the child. Make them look you in the eyes when you aretalking to them, talk slowly, quietly, but with a firm voice. i just had to write and support serenity here...Literally and figuratively..



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10 Sep 2008, 12:30 pm

Thanks Rushfanatic.

I also would like to add that I first thought that maybe the OP was a troll, but all of her previous posts seem very rational, and contributing to the forum. I think that she may just be having a rough time of it, or something. Maybe, something about seeing rocks being hurled at a small defenseless duck brought back the traumatic memories of childhood for her. Who wouldn't have PTSD from being stoned everyday for an extended period of time?



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10 Sep 2008, 12:39 pm

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Thanks Rushfanatic.

I also would like to add that I first thought that maybe the OP was a troll, but all of her previous posts seem very rational, and contributing to the forum. I think that she may just be having a rough time of it, or something. Maybe, something about seeing rocks being hurled at a small defenseless duck brought back the traumatic memories of childhood for her. Who wouldn't have PTSD from being stoned everyday for an extended period of time?
Yeah, I remember the punk who delivered the newspapers would follow me home, mocking me, spitting in my hair, etc.His dad was on city council , got away with everything, too.That kid later became a lawyer...what a rat. To this day, I don't like anyone messing with my hair.



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10 Sep 2008, 1:08 pm

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she can't help her behavior, she's autistic!

well, then you control her behavior!

what is the difference between a spoiled autistic child who can't help its behavior and an unspoiled one who also can't help it?


This is an inaccurate quote. You are attributing to me what the father claimed of the child. In fact, you actually had to edit the line. Tsk. How disingenuous of you. I suggest you control your own behavior.


i am sorry, there is a misunderstanding. i was on your side, of course her father said it, therefore my reaction could only be to what her father said. not you. i should quote it without your name, though.

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she can't help her behavior, she's autistic!

well, then you (the father) control her behavior!


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10 Sep 2008, 1:52 pm

I must admit I do side with the OP here. There is no mention as to how long the OP was in the park for, how long the girl was being disturbing.

In defence I can say that for me to strike out can take a while. Factors can change this time span. Then again, complete rational thought and control CAN and does go out the window.

The father using the excuse "she's autistic" from this I can only assume he has only a stereotype of autism and not researched it fully to understand. People on the spectrum will and do act differently varying on the situation at hand.

Well done for trying to be rational to start with :)



10 Sep 2008, 7:48 pm

I am sorry the kid upset you but throwing rocks at her was wrong. You do not throw rocks at anyone period because what if you hit them with it, they can get seriously hurt.
What if you had hit the child with the rock and she got hurt, the father could have sued you for it or maybe press charges. So for your own safety, don't do it.

Him using his daughter's autism as an excuse for her behavior was wrong too, that made me mad. :evil:

It's not just NTs that use their children's disability as an excuse for their behavior, people with disabilities do the same too about their own.


Oh yeah I am not an NT and my mother taught me to not hurt little kids when I was a kid. I would get in trouble for every time I did so I learned to not do it. As an adult if I hurt a child, I know what problems that can lead for me; arrest, being sued, ending up in the media and people shunning me for being a child beater, even if I didn't even hit the child. Not good eh?
I would hate to end up with a bad name for throwing rocks at a child. Autism wouldn't be an excuse for my behavior either.



10 Sep 2008, 7:57 pm

Okay if the child were my child, I would have stopped her. Not let her keep on doing it.



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10 Sep 2008, 8:03 pm

Throwing rocks wasn't because of the autism, but your attitude SUCKS, OP.


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10 Sep 2008, 8:07 pm

wow it goes to show u, some parents just dont care, or seem to help their child and let their child run a muck, heck its much easier then disciplining! way to set them straight though, good job!


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10 Sep 2008, 8:57 pm

Eigenvalue, you're not autistic. You're a sociopath.


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11 Sep 2008, 12:24 am

Makes me wonder if anyone truly understand the OP? Sometimes it's possible to perform actions that are not realised until after an event. I'm not defending anyone. It's the same as saying everyone here are freaks because they can't socialise because of fear and it's pathetic to fear such a thing.

Everyone is different, it seems as though people expect the OP to always know what they were doing all the time



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11 Sep 2008, 12:57 am

lol OP...

when I was younger I remember tearing a moth apart after tearing parts of its wing off to keep it from flying and escaping.....thankfully my grandfather told me that wasn't nice as I killed the poor thing. Well I know not to do that now :? Also I try not to mess with worm, step on them, not excessively pull out grass and the like, etc.//

However honestly I have thrown rocks at birds...not aiming at them but at the water by them to see what happens. I also still like messing with the Pigeons sometimes, walking into grops of them to see how close I can get before they fly away/...or walking around and trying to trap them against walls and seeing what they do (often fly away lol)....you can get damned close downtown...hmm I should bring some bread sometimes next time I go downtown, it's fun to feed them; I remember feeding the birds at my grandmother's house and sometimes downtown (giving them the bread as I didn't eat that during Taste of Chicago).... :P

I don't hurt them, it's fun to play with them...


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11 Sep 2008, 1:04 am

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To be blunt, I think you're the monster here, not the child. Throwing rocks at a little girl and swearing at her? Autistic or not, many children do stupid things, and I haven't met a kid who doesn't love to run and scare away birds. Your attitude towards children and your apparent hatred towards anyone who isn't autistic are very upsetting to me. I feel sorry for you.


Agreed. When you dehumanize people though, it becomes a lot easier to harm them.


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11 Sep 2008, 3:51 am

So you can get all upset and throw rocks at a child because you are autistic and she was irritating you but a child who may be too young or even lacking in the cognitive ability to even be aware she could hurt the ducks is worse then you in your opinion, . You knowingly did wrong it's a shame you weren't arrested for assault, after that would teach you it's wrong to throw rocks at people. Or maybe her father should have thrown rock at you by your reasoning. violence is not an answer and if you can behave properly maybe you shouldn't be out in public.

Sure the parent should have watched the child but you are far worse, as you can reason and I am sure knew you were doing wrong.



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11 Sep 2008, 9:13 am

just want to second the WPers who have said screaming is normal for some-not all autistics have a problem
with hearing their own screaming even if they are hyper sensitive to others doing it[especially because it is known when its going to happen,unlike with others],some are actually hypOsensitive to noise or certain sounds.
as for being rough with animals,this is actually quite common with autistics,for some it's due to not being able to understand they feel pain because they arent feeling it themselves,for others,it can be due to mental retardation and/or maturity,challenging behavior,or misplaced agression.
am like animals more than anything-and wouldnt let anyone harm them,but grew up being very rough with them,am didnt understand what was doing to them without being able to feel that inside-am was taught eventually through rules that was not to be rough with them,it sounds like the child may need the same teaching if this is her problem.
she is also a child,who needs time to develop,whether she is autistic or not.


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