Do other Aspies Piss you off?
I don't think I have known an Aspie in real life. I have seen their posts on here, they don't seem any worse than the "NTs" I deal with.
Where I live there is sooooo much black and white thinking anyway. Like, for instance, there are a lot of illegal immigrants here and soooo many people despise them, accusing them of entering the country illegally and living off the taxpayers blah blah blah. Sayin they are criminals for entering the country illegally. I for one, have no problem with it but nearly everyone else does (and I am the Aspie who supposedly lacks empathy?) It's the same sort of thinking, isn't it? I guarantee you it isn't a bunch of Aspies thinking it. These happen to be locals who want to complain and keep everyone away who isn't like them.
I don't know how uncommon the lacking empathy thing is or if their way of lacking empathy isn't compatable with the Aspie's or what.
And then you have the ones on here who are intolerant of the word "Aspie".
Sounds like an Aspie thing to me.
In my experience it's not just Aspies who are like that. Anyone can be difficult, arrogant, intolerant, ignorant, inflexible, hateful, presumptuous, rigid, angry, bitter...
I think Aspies do have a more difficulty playing the NT game, it causes frustration, the NT reacts negatively and the Aspie goes into black/white thinking mode and blames all NTs.
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I'd rather be pissed off than bored. Maybe if Aspies piss you off so much it is because they refuse to accommodate you. NT's are more diplomatic and nicer, but they also pretend. They vent in other ways, like on the phone and gossiping about what they really think of you.
I don't think that it's better to have everyone act the same way and think the same way. You say that they are patient with you? What?
If they were real true friends they would just let you be. If you don't want to talk, don't. What's the big deal? What's the big deal if someone disagrees with you or if they make mistakes? Row your own boat.
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-They whine a lot.
Isn't that what the board's for ? (Correct me if I'm wrong)
I think that's because so many develop a siege mentality, having been picked on wherever they go.
I think this is a particularly AS symptom - borne of the mind-blindness/general cerebral myopia conferred by the condition. Don't forget the 'Aut' in Autism - it's a form of imprisonment at the end of the day.
Perhaps, but not for the same reasons as an NT might be - so, in that sense, it's not really the same 'selfishness'.
Yeah well now, that IS a bit of a fallacy - and probably something of a crutch that's clung to.
They certainly tend to be more academic than NT's - but then academicality never equalled smartness.
This would be truer for left-brained Autists - who not only suffer Autoid blindness, but even if they didn't - would tend not to see the wood for the trees anyway.
Hmm. You sound like a feckin' redneck now.
If you were to subtract instinctual social 'comprehension' from an NT, social rules would be just as non-sensical/illogical to him.
But yes, there appears to be a greater readiness to condemn the mis/non-understood rather than an acceptance that maybe the Aspoid himself might lack something - and therefore, be the one with the issue.
I think it stems from a certain amount of intellectual frustration at the total inability to comprehend a real world phenomenon (not something he might ordinarily be accustomed to).
Maybe because they were expecting more from the 'improvement', not realising that it was not in fact, 'the key' to their problems but a tiny element of a massive and multi-dimensional canvas.
Don't forget that most Aspoids on here look waaay less Aspergic than they actually are in real life, because you don't see the person or the condition.
So for the most part, you're dealing with people who are probably substantially LF than you suppose.
Well now, no-one should try and deny that - since it's oft-times, the truth.
But there are several components to that scenario.
1) - Not wishing to go through the nerve-racking and likely unsuccessful and potentially humiliating rigmerole of chatting up a stranger isn't the most enjoyable of pass-times for most Aspoids.
2) - Feeling left out/bereft/frustrated is NEVER something a human being can get used to. We're simply too hardwired as social primates not to find it disagreeable.
So, while your sentiments can be understood in that Aspies can be very frustrating - they must be tempered with the knowledge that most Aspies are a lot more Aspoid than they appear - and so, actually a lot more socially disabled than is perceived.
This seems to make more sense to me because I have trouble in some of these areas. As for this site, I never could identify with academic stuff I see so much of on this site. I guess b/c I tend to think on the right side of my brain. I also find the "academic" kind also obsessed in details rather than the bigger picture or what the subject is really about.
Hope that didn't come off as stereotypical cause I think we do tend to put things in a label or box. But I do see some of this crap among NTs as well so I don't see a whole big difference mind you depending on the NT. NTs can also have character flaws reflecting their social circumstances like bipolar, depression, ADD, PTSD, and so forth.
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Sounds like a lot of self hatred here
-They whine a lot.
And you doing what right now?
-They can't take any criticism.
We'll see ;P
-They only see things from their point of view.
Remember we're talking about you and your view of other aspies now......
-They're selfish (lack of empathy).
They will post what they want about other people and the way they behave without regards to their feelings, believing that theirs are superior, (i.e., no empathy)
-They think--without ANY evidence- that having Asperger's somehow makes them smarter.
A bit of a stereo-type there, some do, some don't.
-They confuse being detailed with being smart.
Being detailed doesn't make anyone smart, its the ability TO BE detailed, that makes one smart, not everyone can be detailed, nor is every Aspie detailed.
-They always say dumb sh**.
This is a people thing in general...everyone, including me, and you, and everyone who has ever grown to the point to be able to say more that a few words, has done it.
-They assume social rules are illogical just because they don't care to understand the underlying rationales.
Some are, some arent. I understand some, others its more a thing of, WHY do you have that social rule? For example. Your putting on a mask, pretending to be someone your not, so you can get a date with a girl who thinks about you in a certain manner because of the "mask" you are wearing, which eventually she'll see thru, then you cannot understand why your relationships aren't working out, when, if you would have just been you in the first place, instead of lying about yourself, thing might have turned out different.
-You correct them, then they go back to doing what they did before whenever you tell them they improved.
Again, a stereo-type, it can be applied to anyone, aspie or not. but not all aspies are like this.
I have these problems, but not to the same degree because I'm willing to take on new risks.
The typical aspie will not once ask a girl out because he's a p**** and never gets laid. He then blames everything but himself--Asperger's, society, parents, women, feminism, whatever--even though he never took any risks.
Last time I checked, every person with AS was different, having ONLY the DSM4 traits in common, (hint: that why we are clumped together under this dianosis of Aspergers). Other than that, our traits are all over tha map.
If you could learn to love yourself for who you are, you can learn to love others for who they are.
Final thought.......try reading the boards more, Ive seen lots of people here, and they all seem to have different strengths, weaknesses, and opinions regarding themselves, and others.
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I have known quite a few aspies in real life and I have learned that both groups have good sides. I feel that for comfortableness and self-esteem validation I prefer aspies, but NTs offer a lot of fun, interesting company, particularly because they are different from me. I think the best thing to do is have both around and get the best of both worlds.
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Taking a break.
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Yes they do annoy me but not all of them.
Some of them use their condition as an excuse to get special treatment. They don't even try and see other people's point of view or even respect it. They refuse to follow rules just because they are illogical but then complain when they get in trouble for it. Is that one of the reasons why they can't hold down a job?
They don't even apologize when they hurt someone because they didn't think they did nothing wrong and refuse to apologize for hurting someone on accident. They think it's their problem not theirs.
But not all aspies are like this. There are good ones out there who don't expect special rules or extra treatment. I would never go to the airport and expect getting this treatment of not having to pay to check my luggage on the plane and bring more than one carry on on the plane and say it's my special needs and then b***h about them not understanding AS just because they made me pay for my check on luggage and made me bring on one carry on.
There are aspies out there who do apologize for hurting someone's feelings.
There are aspies who do follow rules, even if they do sound dumb but they don't want to get in trouble with the law right, or lose their job, or even get a fine, etc. so they follow them.
There are aspies who do respect other people's point of views and try and understand it.
There are none aspies out there who don't respect other peoples point of views or even try and understand them, some also don't apologize for hurting people, some also break rules because they also think they are stupid. eg. not wearing a seatbelt. Some people think it's a stupid to have to wear one because they think the gov. shouldn't be telling us how to live our lives and if we want to kill ourselves because we were too stupid to use a seatbelt, that is our own problem not theirs.
A handful of the problems that were listed by the OP fit the bill with various friends I've had with Asperger's. I used to think it would be a lot easier socializing with my "own kind", but as it turns out, it's almost as difficult as, if not more so, than trying to socialize with NTs.
In the end, I prefer to just be friends with my own family members (and my favorite anime characters... hehehe)
I've known two aspies and they both said they have met other aspies and they were all annoying.
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Oh yeah and I have an aspie friend from Ohio online who doesn't really like the aspie forums because there is a lot of bitching and moaning he says and they don't do anything about it while he goes to the bar and tries to talk to people and not let himself be defined by the label but yet lot of aspies won't do that or even try and meet people and socialize. He also says they take things too damn seriously while his parents taught him to not take everything seriously and not talk literal.
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There are aspies who do follow rules, even if they do sound dumb but they don't want to get in trouble with the law right, or lose their job, or even get a fine, etc. so they follow them.
There are aspies who do respect other people's point of views and try and understand it.
I am like that; especially about apologizing. It just tears me up inside when I find out that I have hurt someone else's feelings.
I have always followed the rules; that's why I rarely got disciplined as a child and was loved by all of my teachers.
My mom has told me that I'm very open-minded. even if I disagree with someone, I will not argue with them.
I am like that; especially about apologizing. It just tears me up inside when I find out that I have hurt someone else's feelings.
I have always followed the rules; that's why I rarely got disciplined as a child and was loved by all of my teachers.
My mom has told me that I'm very open-minded. even if I disagree with someone, I will not argue with them.
I'm like that!