Are gay NTs more accepting of aspies?

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05 Dec 2008, 11:51 pm

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No, I don't see this at all. Homosexuals discriminate against all who don't agree with their lifestyle, especially Christians.


Gay is not a lifestyle, it's just a kind of life.
Also, you might be confusing gay people with atheists, the non-religious, and those who have been so severely destroyed by the church that they have committed suicide. (The Exodus program is Christian based.)



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05 Dec 2008, 11:57 pm

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Another connection I don't see. What is the connection, exactly? Why should someone be more accepting of anything just because they are gay? I don't get that, either. Just because someone happens to be gay doesn't mean they will be more accepting.


Because gay people know what it's like to be discriminated against, they may be less likely to discriminate against aspies.


No, I don't see this at all. Homosexuals discriminate against all who don't agree with their lifestyle, especially Christians.

To see a very recent example of homosexual intolerance of others, go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk23Ild2FjU

Homosexual Aspies will even attack straight Aspies who offer their views. There are several threads here which show that.



I'm sorry, but this is, BY FAR, the most rediculous thing I have ever heard.......Homosexuals discriminate against Christians because they don't agree with their lifestyle? I think you may have that backwards, but hey, you saw it on youtube so it MUST be true eh? :D I recall a story I saw on the news here in Canada the day the government passed a same-sex couple tax law which entitled homosexual couples the same tax benefits as Straight coules. This was greeted by a group of christians (who i might add came from the US and weren't even Canadian) who came to our Parliament, sang our national anthem incorrectly(changed the lyrics from "our home and native land", to "our home and fa***t land") and burned our flag right in front of our parliament. How dare Gay people discriminate against people who want to committ hate crimes...lol (and NO, I'm not saying all christians are like this, because i know they are not) You have that pretty ass backwards my friend


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06 Dec 2008, 12:28 am

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This was greeted by a group of christians (who i might add came from the US and weren't even Canadian) who came to our Parliament, sang our national anthem incorrectly(changed the lyrics from "our home and native land", to "our home and fa***t land") and burned our flag right in front of our parliament.

Very likely that was Westboro Baptist Church.
Pastor Phelps is a megalomaniac who thinks nothing is evil except homosexuality,
as if there were an 11th commandment against it, and it were the only commandment.
His church's website is godhatesfags.com



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06 Dec 2008, 12:33 am

ValMikeSmith wrote:
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This was greeted by a group of christians (who i might add came from the US and weren't even Canadian) who came to our Parliament, sang our national anthem incorrectly(changed the lyrics from "our home and native land", to "our home and fa***t land") and burned our flag right in front of our parliament.

Very likely that was Westboro Baptist Church.
Pastor Phelps is a megalomaniac who thinks nothing is evil except homosexuality,
as if there were an 11th commandment against it, and it were the only commandment.
His church's website is godhatesfags.com


Wow......lol....and thats all I have to say about that......


I'm thinking i should avoid this thread..hehe


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06 Dec 2008, 1:28 am

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...people know what it's like to be discriminated against, they may be less likely to discriminate against Aspies.
You would think. That would be the rational approach. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone who has ever been abused would join together and say, "no more," as a group?

It's an individual thing. And it's more complicated than it seems. Fear, indifference, ignorance, hate, competition, need to control... So many reasons to mistreat people and so little time.

I didn't realize that I was prejudiced against fat people until I was forced to deal with a certain in-law. After we got to know each other, I found out that this was an intelligent person who deserves respect. Before that, I didn't hate them, I just dismissed them.

I learned a lesson about my own arrogance from a homeless person. We were about the same age (20) and I thought I knew something she didn't know. I was mistaken. I attempted to educate her, and she ended up educating me.

A member of the majority, in any issue, can spend a lifetime never thinking at all. As a member of the minority in a lot of issues, that luxury was never available to me. Being in the minority forces you to think harder. I've spent most of my life trying to figure out why the world is so crazy. The NTs don't have to waste a minute wondering -- they just figure I'm crazy, case closed, dismissed.

I think some people can reach a point where they get it, but you have to re-learn that lesson a bunch of times, with different kinds of people.

And I think some people will simply never get it at all.

One trend is that the people on the second-to-the-bottom rung in the pecking order tend to be the most openly hostile and violent, while the people in the tower can pretend to be above it all -- they don't even know that they are not bigots.

Another trend is that gangs form, first for protection because they are abused, then they realize that they have power and become the abusers. And children who have been mistreated grow up and become the perpetrators themselves, as a direct result of being abused. I still don't get that one.

I can only think of one generalization I can make: generalizations generally don't work.



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06 Dec 2008, 2:58 am

donhz wrote:
No, I don't see this at all. Homosexuals discriminate against all who don't agree with their lifestyle, especially Christians.


Isn't this rather like saying that people with Asperger's discriminate against people who aren't tolerant of Asperger's, or who don't believe it exists, or who try to make people with Asperger's conform to neurotypical ideals?

I think that gay people have a lot in common with aspies - in fact, with all the weird responses I've received from disclosing my AS, I can relate a lot more to the difficulties that gay people have in disclosing who they are. There are people who think you are making it up to be trendy, people who think that it is a decision you are making to be awkward, people who immediately think you will conform to their stereotype of what AS is, people who start treating you differently, etc - very similar to the reactions that gay people can get. 'Coming out' as an aspie seems to be fraught with as many pitfalls as 'coming out' as gay.

I do find gay people (not all, but many) able to relate to me in a more understanding way. Also mentally ill people seem to understand more. I think any group of people who are 'different' and considered faulty in some way can relate to that aspect of Aspergers.



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06 Dec 2008, 3:53 am

No. I think it's just the same as any other part of the population.

I used to think maybe. But recently an NT lesbian tried to ruin my life, so it no longer even crosses my mind. Then again, she was BPD.


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06 Dec 2008, 4:15 am

I am gay. And so I feel I am more in tune with the gay community than most. And I can tell you, Gay men in general are very judgemental on looks and behavior. If you don't fit their fashion and behavior, you are more quickly rejected than other groups. That is why I avoid most other gay groups now.

Mind, each person in general is different. And most gay people don't hang out at gay hang outs. But most of the gay hang outs I have been too, the attitude is very much that way.

Straight people are much less critical of people that are not politically correct or dress differently. You say the wrong thing around gay men, it is never forgiven or forgotten.




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The thing that interests me in the debate is that homosexuals used to be more classy in how they handled things. Now they have become as bad (or worse) than Christian Fundamentaists when it comes to twisting people's arms to get them to convert to the idea that homosexuality is somehow okay.
This is a deeply flawed analogy.

People who are trying to convert you to their religion are, well, trying to convert you to their religion. Gay people do not go around trying to make other people gay.

And unlike religion, sexuality is not a conscious choice.

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No, Gay people in general are very social, and they expect all people to be as highly social. Being autistic around gay men is like being like acting like a wolf amoungst sheep.
I think this is nonsense. It is no more reasonable to generalize about "gay people" than about "straight people".


It's total nonsense. Read my post in this thread. My best friendships are with gay men. (I am a straight female Aspie.)



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08 Dec 2008, 6:08 am

IdahoAspie wrote:
I am gay. And so I feel I am more in tune with the gay community than most. And I can tell you, Gay men in general are very judgemental on looks and behavior. If you don't fit their fashion and behavior, you are more quickly rejected than other groups. That is why I avoid most other gay groups now.

Mind, each person in general is different. And most gay people don't hang out at gay hang outs. But most of the gay hang outs I have been too, the attitude is very much that way.

Straight people are much less critical of people that are not politically correct or dress differently. You say the wrong thing around gay men, it is never forgiven or forgotten.

Don't be silly. Whatever in general, one thing is absolute: Every gay man wants a man.
If you are so in tune then you find one on gaydar and have no problem with the fashion.
They don't all kick you out and repaint the rainbow every time you say one wrong thing.



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08 Dec 2008, 6:43 am

I think they are. I get along really well with gay NT women and men.