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Indeed. So you're not Aspie, but you've been diagnosed with AS. Well, clearly you can lie, but perhaps not with the best of 'em.

Maybe you haven't experienced life as an underdog, because your pathology is precisely the one we've been discussing all along - the Type A manipulative user.

But she has said in the past she doesn't have AS, she has NLD.


I disagree that we can't lie because we can to. I have seen aspies lie before and I do believe we are capable of cheating. I have cheated in games and video games before.

Anyone who says they can't lie, I find it skeptical. Do they mean "I can"t lie because when I do, I feel guilty." So there is a difference between not being able to lie and choosing not to. I choose not to because I hate lying and it makes me feel rotten inside. I hate being lied to so therefore I will not do it to others. I expect honesty.

I suppose I should say I can't lie well at all.

[quote="NocturnalQuilter"]I disagree. I was diagnosed AS and I can lie with the best of 'em. It's a coping mechanism- nothing more.[/quote]

Indeed. So you're not Aspie, but you've been diagnosed with AS. Well, clearly you can lie, but perhaps not with the best of 'em.

Maybe you haven't experienced life as an underdog, because your pathology is precisely the one we've been discussing all along - the Type A manipulative user.[/quote]


Oh puh-lease. The inability to lie is a myth. We can to lie. There are also other myths out there about us. No sense of humor. Lot of us do have a good sense of humor, does that mean we don't have AS or autism?


And another myth, no empathy.

Lot of us do have empathy, I have seen it on here and on other aspie forums.

I've had some experience of that but I have to say that occasionally,when people get tired of
the rat race and their own mind games,they make real connections that transcend all the cynicism and negative influences.It doesn't happen very often but sometimes it's worth not
giving up entirely on what may seem like lost causes.

I was given an official diagnosis but have since rejected the findings. Heck- if people here can self-diagnose and gain equal credibility, why can't I self-undiagnose without losing credibility?

And your doctorate in psychology is from...? Save your analysis for someone who might believe it.

So true!

I have Asperger's and I am able to lie. Generally, in order to get yourself out of hot water you must be extremely creative, think on your feet, and have an excellent memory.

So well said! Funny thing is that rather than rejecting those who are just as backstabbing as themselves or more, they appreciate them, consider them the winners worth associating with.

I only ever met one person who'd gotten tired of the rat race the way you mention. I do meet people here and there who are willing to have a friend or two (ON THE SIDE) who don't play the game. But they prefer not to be seen with those in public, lest someone is led to believe they themselves are "losers".

I dont' know about that. I've been bluntly honest, bad results. Decided to play a game, bad results. I think auties just have a double edged sword. People are just a**holes. Screw them....not literally you may catch something!

I'm sorry but based on what you just wrote as though it's such a great skill, are you sure you are autistic? Most auties I know get outraged with lies and can go on forever about it and when an autistic person tries to lie they hate themselves for it and reveal it soon after.

It's actually considered a "flaw" now if you can't lie and that is one of the main reasons why auties have struggles but it's just that the liars have set up the system so that they get more and push others who aren't that way out.

Honesty is no longer a value.

Actually I don't go on forever if someone lies to me. I move on because I don't hold grudges. It gets tiring. Yes I can lie too but I hate it. I feel bad so that's why I don't do it. I used to get very mad at myself for lying on accident. Well they weren't really lies because they weren't deliberate but I still thought I lied. Then I learned it is not a lie if you don't do it on purpose. Things happen or people change their minds, etc.
Now I don't beat myself up anymore if I accidentally lie.

Depends on the lie or the injustice for me. If it's a white lie, that blows over quickly. If it's backstabbing social drama lies and slander then yeah I'm going to remain upset about it for a while but that is also depending on how long the person was known, if the person tried extra hard to befriend , social cues missed that hits me later all at once that finally makes me erupt and get really aggrivated.

As far as accidental lying, do you mean leaving out details and then later because of that you felt like you weren't being honest?

Yes and also saying things and then I realize my facts weren't right about something. I feel like I lied about when I started talking because my mother told me I started talking at age 4. So I believed her, not even realizing she doesn't remember what age I started talking so she made a guess perhaps. I was watching family videos and I was not talking at age 4. I was silent every time, hardly saying a word. But when at age 5, I was talking but I was real hard to understand. At age 6, I was easy to understand a word I was saying. That is one example.

I used to say my first ex had AS possibly and now I am not saying anymore he does because I was told by my online friends he was just an a**hole. It might seem like I am lying but I am not because my thoughts change. Another example.

Also not understanding something and I thought I understood it. Or saying I have read something but it turns out I haven't. oops. Or someone shows me a link asking if I seen that site and I say no but then i click on the link and see I have been to that site. Also oopsie. More examples.

I call them accidental lies. I didn't mean to lie because I didn't know. Lot of people say that isn't lying because I didn't know. So I finally learned for something to be a lie, it has to be deliberate.

Here is another thing, when people try and do small talk with me, I find it hard so I give out answers that are the same every time. It doesn't matter if I am upset about something when they ask "How are you?" I will just say "I'm fine" or "Good." I just don't want to talk and have a chit chat about how I am feeling. That's where I am delebrately dishonest.

Also if I am embarrassed about something, it's so hard to be open. I want to tell more and be more honest but I find it difficult if my feelings are in the way.

I can relate to all of what you wrote. Not sure if this is autie thing but seems some people beat themselves up over things alot of people just view of as minor and shrug off easily. I don't like it when I leave out something hence going into the long version but even then will think later and realize I forgot to add something and then feel like it was alie because of one thing missing.