Are all aspies atheists -- or is it just me?

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Danielismyname
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13 Dec 2008, 4:58 am

I was born without the emotions of belief and faith, or, they never developed.

I lack many emotions.



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13 Dec 2008, 7:29 am

I just never did believe in God. My family was rigidly Christian and, in my childhood, I was literally forced to go to church every Wednesday and every Sunday, and wear dress pants and some sort of fancy shoes because my mother told me that we had to 'look presentable for the Lord.' I just never believed it. While the 'congregation' was listening to the dude with the boring voice (the preacher) I just filled up my coloring book or wrote stories or slept haha, and I did this up until I was twelve years old, when I just one day said 'I'm not gonna do it anymore' and so I didn't go anymore and now my family calls me a 'devil worshiper' just because I don't believe in some of the - in my opinion, alright? please don't attack me -- some of the blatantly impossible and preposterous things in the Bible which I have indeed read... I guess I'm just rational...

I assumed most aspies would be, but I have been proven wrong. I think it's good that a lot of aspies have faith. I'm glad.



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13 Dec 2008, 10:49 am

mosez wrote:
I believe in God, but not in the religious systems created by man. Looks to me that they have a few goals, namely; money, control and power...


I agree with the above. But lately I've been thinking about something else... the meaning of "forgiveness" and "faith."

I know, in both a rational and intuitive way, that I will eventually have to learn to "forgive" those who mistreated and damaged me, and regain "faith" in how the world works again. No one had to tell me that, and I can clearly see that is necessary for emotional and mental health after a bad trauma that shake your faith in the word and your place in it. But those kinds of concepts are quite alien to me in their mystical vagueness. They don't come naturally to my literal mind.

I keep looking for some kind of cognitive-behavior type algorithms for how to construct "forgiveness" and how to restore "faith" in your life. While that might seem to be an absurd thing to do, I've think I've found it. If you look in the religious works, a lot of what goes on in the stories are a kind of coding of experience that encapsulates wisdom (as well as their explicit messages). Kind of like the Da Vinci code (but in obviously different ways), you can decipher what the topology and warp and woof of the cognitive spaces are, and the algorithms of classes of cognitive behavior that act in those spaces. And so I have developed a highly literal and mathematical kind of way of looking at really, really complex social cognitive behavior (like "forgiveness" and "faith"), from what was once my very simple if-then-else set of rules for thought behavior. So my problem-solving is now that of constructing within myself the proper cognitive spaces and semantics to support that kind of thought behavior. Teaching myself to think mystically and faithfully by laying the right spaces and building the groundwork for that kind of social mind. But enough of the technical talk.

Religion teaches us how to be things beyond our capacity, personally. I was taught what "hate" was by a poisonous sociopath who bullied me and unloaded her sociopathic hatreds and Machiavellian ideas into me. All "hatred" is and must be taught. IMO it is a learned behavior, at least for AS people, who are by nature drawn to coherent (functional) systems and learning. I don't mean to imply that AS people are morally superior to NTs, but the very act of submerging your ego in learning and experiencing a topic that you love requires humility, optimism and joy, and it is pathologically unhealthy, in my opinion, for an AS to feel hatred or contempt because it is corrosive to your natural mind's existence and this is more vital to AS functioning than NT. So I didn't know "hate" but I do know it now, and what is worse, I don't have the natural constructs in my mind to compartmentalize and "forget" it (if I had the ability to compartmentalize, I could lie and do other things that I can't do). So it is beyond my personal capacity, or my natural mind, to unlearn how to hate.

Religion is where I have found the really rich subject material on how to construct "forgiveness" and reconstruct "faith". And for myself, as presumably for other people, learning these things will help me recover from my traumas.

In other words, religion contains that which helps you become more than what you are, as a person. It has the material which, if you learn to read it and understand it, helps your social consciousness to recover from bad exposure ("evil") and become a richer, more wise and resilient social consciousness. It is good for your mind when it has been corrupted by bad input, so to speak, by helping you develop a better social mind in order to absorb and integrate the damage into a larger and more holistic world view.

Religion is no replacement for suitable therapy, if you've been traumatized. But depending on the nature of the trauma, it can be an essential part of it, at least for the purposes of being good source material for guidance.



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13 Dec 2008, 11:01 am

Shiggily wrote:
it is impossible to prove the existence or nonexistence of a supernatural being.

Therefore you could be agnostic, atheist or religious and still be perfectly logical.

As long as you were honest about it all being a matter of faith regardless of what you believe in.

Which no one is, so carry on.


My thoughts exactly. :)

Personally, I call myself an agnostic. It seems like a good enough compromise for me.


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13 Dec 2008, 11:03 am

Eh, it's just you.

Me... I'm not very religious, but I'm not an atheist. I'm semi-agnostic. I mostly believe in a god, though I have some doubts sometimes. I do not worship said god. I also believe in the devil, angels, demons, ghosts and other things.


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13 Dec 2008, 11:29 am

I'm atheists, but I don't think its an aspie thing.



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13 Dec 2008, 11:38 am

I'm a Christian (Lutheran). And a student of theology.



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13 Dec 2008, 12:01 pm

My son has a very strong Christian faith. He is HFA (some would look at him and say Aspie, but he had significant early language delays). One of his special interests is studying the Bible. We don't go to church, so he came by it naturally. He has insights into faith and God that just blows me away sometimes. He thinks the big thoughts and he's only 10.

He is a logical thinker and is a good chess player, etc.... Being smart and logical doesn't preclude a person from being spiritual and having faith in the unseen.



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13 Dec 2008, 12:04 pm

I'm on the fence. Pascal's Wager was probably what pushed "agnostic" off to the side, but I really don't like the idea of surrendering one's will to a lot of paper and a guy wearing a vestment or something. I don't like the idea of being obedient in all one's thoughts, either: my thought autonomy is one of the things I prize the most.


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13 Dec 2008, 3:22 pm

Am agnostic. Would choose buddhism if had to commit to a religious view.



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13 Dec 2008, 3:30 pm

Catholic, and hang out alot on the Catholic Answers Forum. :)

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13 Dec 2008, 3:54 pm

LeeAnderson wrote:
I just never did believe in God. My family was rigidly Christian and, in my childhood, I was literally forced to go to church every Wednesday and every Sunday, and wear dress pants and some sort of fancy shoes because my mother told me that we had to 'look presentable for the Lord.' I just never believed it. While the 'congregation' was listening to the dude with the boring voice (the preacher) I just filled up my coloring book or wrote stories or slept haha, and I did this up until I was twelve years old, when I just one day said 'I'm not gonna do it anymore' and so I didn't go anymore and now my family calls me a 'devil worshiper' just because I don't believe in some of the - in my opinion, alright? please don't attack me -- some of the blatantly impossible and preposterous things in the Bible which I have indeed read... I guess I'm just rational...

I assumed most aspies would be, but I have been proven wrong. I think it's good that a lot of aspies have faith. I'm glad.

I guess some are mild enough to suspend their rational thinking faculties and "join the herd", so to say.



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13 Dec 2008, 3:58 pm

I don't know if I'm atheist. Maybe there is a god, maybe there isn't. I guess I'm agnostic. Personally, I don't give a care. I am not interested in religion considering I think it makes some people crazy. Everythng that has transpired in my life, good and/or bad, up to this point has done so because of me, my mom, or others around me (of course some of the bad is my doing), not because of any disimbodied being. I like to live my life by my own free choice. I, however, have sort of an interest in Zen Buddhism.



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13 Dec 2008, 3:59 pm

Presto77 wrote:
I don't know if I'm atheist. Maybe there is a god, maybe there isn't. Personally, I don't give a care.

The word is agnostic.



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13 Dec 2008, 4:02 pm

Not all auties are atheist nor is it just you.



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13 Dec 2008, 4:07 pm

kittenmeow wrote:
Not all auties are atheist nor is it just you.

Actually, the most rationally sound belief is agnosticism. It assumes nothing and takes no faith.