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15 Dec 2008, 6:10 pm

most aspies and aware enough auties am know of in residential care are either called racist or could be called racist-they refuse to have anyone but white support staff working with them,and some will make it obvious by shouting racist abuse at any black staff who have been sent to work with them.

am probably could be called racist in a way because am find it very difficult to accept any staff whos communication is too difficult to understand-their accent,fast talking speed,difficult way with language,
am get overloaded by that so is one of many reasons agency staff do not work with am,as most of them in the completely crap agency that this res.home uses [prime time] are not long in the country.
though to counter that,humans are all the same and race has no difference or meaning-to am,so it's a difficulty with being able to understand originally non english speaking peoples language/accents rather than people/race themselves.

am have been called racist before [wrote a thread about it a long while ago on here] by one support staff, just for being a maine coon cat liker [a lot],having one cat at family home who is a part maine coon [biscuit,the cat in avatar] am wasnt going to stop liking maine coons anytime soon,luckily he was moved to work in a day centre,and went on long term sick.


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15 Dec 2008, 6:24 pm

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I'm pretty blind to race differences and that got me into trouble a few times when what I had said was misinterpreted as racist, for example- I once met two black guys in a park, it was late at night and me and my friend were sitting in the park, sipping beers and playing guitar while those two guys showed up.

anyway, after a while they asked if we could all go to a bar somewhere to have a chat because it was getting chilly so I said "oh cool, we'll finally be able to see what your faces look like."

they got terribly offended :roll: and I was just stating a fact (it was dark + they were black = I was only able to see their eyeballs and their teeth).

LOL. I remember that I spent the rest of the night explaining myself because I couldn't comprehend how they read my remark as in any way racist.

on topic though, I don't believe in race differences, but cultural differences are a different ball game indeed. I'm absolutely sure that it's the cultural differences that lie at the core of racism (just read "The Bell Curve" or look it up on Wikipedia to see what I mean).


There ARE tendencies for races, even if they aren't definite. Ever see the house episode where the BLACK patient doesn't trust the BLACK doctor because he is prescribing a BLACK drug? SORRY, many blacks DO have a little bit different metabolism. Look at that mash episode where they end up getting primaquine. Max gets bawled out because everyone thinks HE made a mistake, and most blacks can't tolerate it. It turned out that arabs couldn't either, but still... And what of the seinfeld episode where costanza gets called a racist because he says a guy looks like sugar ray lenard. Towards the end, a BLACK says the SAME thing! Or what of dexter where an oriental person says that saying a killer looks like he does is racist, but then he admits he DOES!

Gee, you can't even tell a BLACK person in BLACK clothes to wear brighter (YIKES, GULP) COLORs or some reflective tape, etc.... HEY, WHO KNOWS? Maybe part of the reason they are black is so they can better hunt at night. ALSO, they can do better in sunny areas. In fact, they are MORE likely to have a vitamin D deficiency. Sorry, but all that is true.



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15 Dec 2008, 6:29 pm

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I have notions about people and their products all the time, like how Arab Muslims treat their women and how food imported from China can't be trusted, etc. I don't like to buy American cars, although it's been years since I've researched how their reliability and quality ratings are. I have a hold-over belief that Americans make inferior products (compared to Japanese & German, say).

The kinds of prejudice bias you describe above are not so much racist as ethnocentric, except the American car one, which does not really qualify as racist, since 'American' is a national rather than racial group.
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These are all biases. If we didn't act on biases, we would have to research everything fresh, every time we had to revisit something we had previously researched and decided on.

I cannot disagree, (or at least not without lying).
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I hate the entire human race. Does that make me racist?

Perhaps, or specieist. Which ever you prefer.

anna-banana, I do not find your comment (made in the park) racist. I find it amusing when people comment on the health hazard (possibility of damage to retina) my glow-in-the-dark-white skin presents to observers.

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Yet when it comes to jokes about people putting live people in ovens, that's funny.

Perhaps the pertinent factor is the oven operator. Maybe it's funnier when God does the baking?
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I just have a problem with this, it seems people don't take anti-Semetic humor as seriously as it should be.

Perhaps being taken seriously is not actually the point of humor.
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Perhaps it's cause Jewish people aren't as good at getting into people's faces and terrifying them by screaming at them, until they realize what they said was wrong. Or learned how to walk on eggshells around the person they offended.

You do realize that the joke about black Jewish folk being 'over-baked' was cited as an example of the unacceptable, whereas the joke about black folk generally being over-baked appears to be from social-skills training literature?
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To be honest, I would like to be able to watching music channels, without seeing a display of tribal mating dance rituals, oops I mean Rap music.

Ya-ha, because what you see on MTV is certainly an authentic traditional representation of traditional tribal dance, especially all the bling worn by the rappers and in particular the motor cars the females often drape themselves over, dry-hump or manage to miss with the sponge and bucket of suds (which somehow make their way onto the bikini clad babes instead). :roll:

Of course it's certainly all about tribal mating ritual, modern Anglo-Western style capitalism and the profit motive have nothing to do with it....
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I think that sometimes people laugh at something Verboten just because you're not supposed to say things like that... not because they agree.

Yes, sometimes they might be uncomfortable and laugh to gloss over the comment/joke (for politeness/face-saving reasons) or out of nervousness/discomfort to hear such things uttered.

Other times they might find it humorous that someone could hold such views or make such a joke. Also the unexpected/incongruous is a known element in much that is humorous, so racist or racial humor could be amusing to someone who was not expecting it and finds it very incongruous with their understanding of things.

In each case (described above), the fact that one is 'not expected to say such things' is relevant.
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NOW, as for the N word. It is related to a latin word that comes through german, spanish, and french, and it means ****BLACK****

I did not know that the word was derived from a French derivative of a spanish derivative of a german derivative (I did know that it was in some way derivative of the Latin 'niger'.

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am have been called racist before [wrote a thread about it a long while ago on here] by one support staff, just for being a maine coon cat liker [a lot],having one cat at family home who is a part maine coon [biscuit,the cat in avatar] am wasnt going to stop liking maine coons anytime soon,luckily he was moved to work in a day centre,and went on long term sick.

I love biscuit (a lot). Biscuit is great! :D



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15 Dec 2008, 6:31 pm

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most aspies and aware enough auties am know of in residential care are either called racist or could be called racist-they refuse to have anyone but white support staff working with them,and some will make it obvious by shouting racist abuse at any black staff who have been sent to work with them.

am probably could be called racist in a way because am find it very difficult to accept any staff whos communication is too difficult to understand-their accent,fast talking speed,difficult way with language,
am get overloaded by that so is one of many reasons agency staff do not work with am,as most of them in the completely crap agency that this res.home uses [prime time] are not long in the country.
though to counter that,humans are all the same and race has no difference or meaning-to am,so it's a difficulty with being able to understand originally non english speaking peoples language/accents rather than people/race themselves.

am have been called racist before [wrote a thread about it a long while ago on here] by one support staff, just for being a maine coon cat liker [a lot],having one cat at family home who is a part maine coon [biscuit,the cat in avatar] am wasnt going to stop liking maine coons anytime soon,luckily he was moved to work in a day centre,and went on long term sick.


Well, *I* hate things like that ALSO(Hard to understand accents, mispronounced words, etc....)! I suppose if I had nothing to lose, and couldn't talk well, I would rather yell out disgusting racist insults than explaining why. And a LOT of "care givers" are the worst examples of people. At least many whites know, english, or are willing to learn it, to some degree. And people there might have been mistreated, and associate it with others.



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15 Dec 2008, 6:32 pm

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Maybe part of the reason they are black is so they can better hunt at night. ~ Sorry, but all that is true.


That is hilarious. Do you really believe that?

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15 Dec 2008, 6:40 pm

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2ukenkerl wrote:
NOW, as for the N word. It is related to a latin word that comes through german, spanish, and french, and it means ****BLACK****

I did not know that the word was derived from a French derivative of a spanish derivative of a german derivative (I did know that it was in some way derivative of the Latin 'niger'.


Maybe I phrased that wrong. I simply meant that they ALL have the same root/meaning. This is not recent, white, English, American, etc.... It hasn't been considered an insult.

And SO WHAT if blacks aren't generally black. Some DO look downright black, and whites aren't exactly white either. HECK, EBONY, BLACK Entertainment Network, etc... are BLACK businesses by and for blacks, and they FLAUNT their being black. I didn't consider blackcat being black but don't have any lower opinion of her because she is. I hate write, jesse Jackson, and some others, but it really has nothing to do with their being black. I hate bill press as well, and HE's WHITE!



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15 Dec 2008, 6:53 pm

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Gee, you can't even tell a BLACK person in BLACK clothes to wear brighter (YIKES, GULP) COLORs or some reflective tape, etc.... HEY, WHO KNOWS? Maybe part of the reason they are black is so they can better hunt at night. ALSO, they can do better in sunny areas. In fact, they are MORE likely to have a vitamin D deficiency. Sorry, but all that is true.


all the things you mentioned might be true but these are not the things that lie at the core of racial hatred. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here (feel free to be politically incorrect, I'm genuinely interested in your point here).


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15 Dec 2008, 6:54 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
Maybe I phrased that wrong. I simply meant that they ALL have the same root/meaning. This is not recent, white, English, American, etc.... It hasn't been considered an insult.

Oh, I thought you were being literal and precise. :oops:

Still, however, it got into modern English, it's most certainly derived from Latin.



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15 Dec 2008, 7:09 pm

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From what I've seen around here (this forum), a lot of people are often very prejudice (especially against "NTs"). I wouldn't be surprised if the majority are racist, too. I hate racism. I actually once lived in a small town where everyone was white (as am I) and I couldn't stand it one bit. I guess it's because I grew up in very diverse areas. I'm the type that'll get along with anyone, as long as they're nice.


Personally, I think the two are different. YOU said some things that some could consider bad(Though certainly not racist,sexist, or against NTs). And I say that meaning no offense. Frankly, you make me wish I were a lot younger. On the whole, I like your attitude. I'm sure you will do well at anything you want, and wish you all the best. And yeah, I know you were rediagnosed NVLD. But STILL, you understand people that are AS a lot better than most.

I won't pretend I haven't poked fun at NTs, etc... and joined in a bit. I don't fit in society and really think I should. I have helped out a LOT of people through advice, labor, and money, and asked NOTHING in return. It would be nice if people didn't just turn around, forget, and walk away, UNTIL they need more help.

I was originally brought up in a middle class white neighborhood. It was NICE! Friendly, helpful, etc... TODAY, most of those areas are hispanic and/or black, and FAR from being so good. That isn't to say that some blacks and hispanics can't be nice, courteous, etc.... They CAN be! It is simply that these areas were setup such that they ran down SO much, that only some of the worst stayed there. As you and I once agreed, even WHITES can be that bad. HECK, the original mafia was white. And whites enslaved WHITES before they enslaved blacks. BLACKs enslaved blacks before they were enslaved. American Indians enslaved american indians before the whites came to their shores.

BTW have you ever been the only white in a poor black part of town? I WAS! Well, OK, I WAS there with a friend that was ALSO white. We went so she could see her black friend. Everyone STARED at us! Her friend said she was afraid to come out, showed us bullet holes around her door, and said we should go home. SHE was probably one of the better ones there. Obviously, some are FAR from it.

It WOULD be nice if everyone could get along. I explained earlier how poverty really can't end as things are now. I wish it COULD! If we could have a nice powerful, honest, smart, just, kind dictator, and all the people were altruistic and working for the common good, it would be GREAT! It would be like the describe the societies on star trek(no poverty, little sickness, no wars, etc....) Then again, how would you get people to work on the space ships? They had wars with peoples able to blow up the earth. I guess the word utopian is a GOOD one! It basically means NO PLACE!



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15 Dec 2008, 7:15 pm

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2ukenkerl wrote:

Gee, you can't even tell a BLACK person in BLACK clothes to wear brighter (YIKES, GULP) COLORs or some reflective tape, etc.... HEY, WHO KNOWS? Maybe part of the reason they are black is so they can better hunt at night. ALSO, they can do better in sunny areas. In fact, they are MORE likely to have a vitamin D deficiency. Sorry, but all that is true.


all the things you mentioned might be true but these are not the things that lie at the core of racial hatred. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here (feel free to be politically incorrect, I'm genuinely interested in your point here).


I'm just saying you could be nice and offer some helpful advice, and be HATED for it! HEY, whites are different ALSO! In the pictures where whites want to sneak in the night, they paint themselves black, or dress dark, and it is NOT to blame blacks. It ALSO helps protect against the sun, etc... Sometimes there is a valid reason that has NOTHING to do with racism.

It is funny that some say "Black is beautiful", and others say "Black is an insult".



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15 Dec 2008, 7:53 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
anna-banana wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:

Gee, you can't even tell a BLACK person in BLACK clothes to wear brighter (YIKES, GULP) COLORs or some reflective tape, etc.... HEY, WHO KNOWS? Maybe part of the reason they are black is so they can better hunt at night. ALSO, they can do better in sunny areas. In fact, they are MORE likely to have a vitamin D deficiency. Sorry, but all that is true.


all the things you mentioned might be true but these are not the things that lie at the core of racial hatred. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here (feel free to be politically incorrect, I'm genuinely interested in your point here).


I'm just saying you could be nice and offer some helpful advice, and be HATED for it! HEY, whites are different ALSO! In the pictures where whites want to sneak in the night, they paint themselves black, or dress dark, and it is NOT to blame blacks. It ALSO helps protect against the sun, etc... Sometimes there is a valid reason that has NOTHING to do with racism.

It is funny that some say "Black is beautiful", and others say "Black is an insult".


Who's up for a rousing sing-a-long of Ebony and Ivory?



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15 Dec 2008, 8:02 pm

As you wish violet yoshi.

We all know that people are the same where-ever you go,
there is good and bad in everyone,
we'll learn to live,
when we learn to give each other what we need to survive,
together alive,

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15 Dec 2008, 8:08 pm

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2ukenkerl wrote:
anna-banana wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:

Gee, you can't even tell a BLACK person in BLACK clothes to wear brighter (YIKES, GULP) COLORs or some reflective tape, etc.... HEY, WHO KNOWS? Maybe part of the reason they are black is so they can better hunt at night. ALSO, they can do better in sunny areas. In fact, they are MORE likely to have a vitamin D deficiency. Sorry, but all that is true.


all the things you mentioned might be true but these are not the things that lie at the core of racial hatred. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here (feel free to be politically incorrect, I'm genuinely interested in your point here).


I'm just saying you could be nice and offer some helpful advice, and be HATED for it! HEY, whites are different ALSO! In the pictures where whites want to sneak in the night, they paint themselves black, or dress dark, and it is NOT to blame blacks. It ALSO helps protect against the sun, etc... Sometimes there is a valid reason that has NOTHING to do with racism.

It is funny that some say "Black is beautiful", and others say "Black is an insult".


Who's up for a rousing sing-a-long of Ebony and Ivory?


I liked that whole phase, although I HATED the idea of Michael Jackson buying mccartney's music. 8-(



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Fascinating. Someone can't even mention something offensive regarding Black history such as a noose, or slavery. Or even their penchant for having women dance in their music videos like animals, without people jumping all over them calling them a racist and a horrible person. Yet when it comes to jokes about people putting live people in ovens, that's funny.


huh? I've seen people pull both types of jokes on people. I know ED does, in their "Sarcastic" trolling, as well as people on some other forums....

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Well like Encyclopedia Dramatica makes any sense?


actually ED has a bunch of articles on Jews and all that.

but yes ED is full of s**t and biased as hell. The main reason I link to that site is because googling for the images im looking for has ED as the main place where it's hosted, the larger *chan sites don't have the image up long and eh


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Maybe part of the reason they are black is so they can better hunt at night.


:P :P

thanks for reminding me of this....

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A - Wait until his instinctual urge to "pop a cap in someone's ass" overcomes his limited sense of reason.

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A: ITS EASIER TO SPOT THEM

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Q)What do you say if your tv is floating in the middle of the night? A)Drop it n***a!


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Her friend said she was afraid to come out, showed us bullet holes around her door, and said we should go home. SHE was probably one of the better ones there. Obviously, some are FAR from it.


:P :lol: :P

Went into Compton, or South Central Los Angeles? LOL. welcome to the ghetto, :mrgreen:


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15 Dec 2008, 9:31 pm

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Everyone is racist to some extent, whether they admit it or not.

QFT

I like when people are able to look at themselves objectively and have the guts to admit the their own truths. I have never been able to identify with a race and have faced quite a bit of racism in my life, but I would never claim not to have racist views. That would be a lie.



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15 Dec 2008, 10:01 pm

Warsie wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
Maybe part of the reason they are black is so they can better hunt at night.


:P :P

thanks for reminding me of this....

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A - Wait until his instinctual urge to "pop a cap in someone's ass" overcomes his limited sense of reason.

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A: ITS EASIER TO SPOT THEM

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Q)What do you say if your tv is floating in the middle of the night? A)Drop it n***a!



Actually, I meant hunt for food in the wild.

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2ukenkerl wrote:
Her friend said she was afraid to come out, showed us bullet holes around her door, and said we should go home. SHE was probably one of the better ones there. Obviously, some are FAR from it.


:P :lol: :P

Went into Compton, or South Central Los Angeles? LOL. welcome to the ghetto, :mrgreen:


South Central LA! I meant to say that. I DID go to compton also.



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