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17 Dec 2008, 7:15 pm

Anemone wrote:

Good cheer depends largely on having people to share it with. I used to love Christmas when I was a kid, because it was a serious family affair, but now that I am isolated, without friends or family, I find it very lonely - the loneliest time of year. Especially because it's also my birthday. And spending time with well meaning strangers doesn't work - it's not a substitute for having a real family. Unfortunately.

A lot of isolated lonely people find Christmas hell.

Shoot, I'd KILL for a bit of owntime at Xmas.
My issues stem from not having ENOUGH owntime.

Owntime is SOOH important to me - allows you to recentre and find yourself after the stress of the outside world.
Oh to have an empty house to come home to.
Unbroken thought trains, zero stress, max creativity ... deep bliss !

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17 Dec 2008, 7:18 pm

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I do think about Jesus. This time of year was previously pagan. Worth thinking on their regard to food and survival.

I never watch tv. Its too slow and trashy. very few films 'hold' me. A time to read, study, out with dog into the landscape.

Wow - ephemerella - luv it! Engineering, fly fishing - if only you knew!

Anemone - PRECISELY!! !

I loved reading about how Yuletide reading the true Pagan side to Christmas makes sense of the things we do at Christmas. Like Decorating trees. I read Jesus would have been born around September. It's all fascinating but errm I'm going off topic.

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17 Dec 2008, 7:19 pm

PunkyKat wrote:

Are you a troll or something? The orginal idea for this post was asking why people hate Christmas.

How utterly un-original: I disagree with the thread intention and therefore I must be a "troll".
Further: No, there was no question posed by the author, only a statement.
Further again: Not liking Christmas is a choice. And a pathetic one at that.

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17 Dec 2008, 7:27 pm

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They think I'm difficult and don't like them because

I don't want to eat their food
I don't talk to them
I surf the internet or go out on my own instead of chat with them
I talk about things that their women don't talk about
When I do talk about things that their women talk about, I talk weird

So tell me: Are they wrong?

They know I have AS and we have to go through it every time. I like them, just can't eat the godawful poison they call food and have nothing to talk to them about.

But there are food head games going on all the time...

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17 Dec 2008, 7:41 pm

NocturnalQuilter wrote:

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Are you a troll or something? The orginal idea for this post was asking why people hate Christmas.

The original topic of this thread was hating Christmas. Why did you click this threat in the first place if you did not agree with the thread intention? Most people I've come across that are not Christian who do not celebrate Christmas say they dislike Christmas too because of all the media attention it gets. Would you call a Muslim or a Jewish person pathetic? Again, this is a thread for people who do not like, who maybe actually hate Christmas. Opionins like mine are to be expected. NocturnalQuilter, you may not be a troll but you are acting very childish.

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17 Dec 2008, 7:48 pm

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NocturnalQuilter, you may not be a troll but you are acting very childish.

That's funny, someone half my age calling me "childish". :roll:

First, this is a "discussion" forum. There is nothing in the TOS about participating in only those threads you agree with- Otherwise I think this forum would be called "agreements".
Second, choosing to feel negatively about anything is pathetic (especially if you're blaming the media)- whether it's Christmas or the shoes I'm wearing. Why would anyone choose to focus on all they perceive as being bad about Christmas?

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17 Dec 2008, 7:51 pm

ephemerella wrote:

They know I have AS and we have to go through it every time. I like them, just can't eat the godawful poison they call food and have nothing to talk to them about.
But there are food head games going on all the time...

I hear ya- family can be a b***h sometimes- which is why I spend so very little time with mine.

But think of this: If you came over to my house for a holiday- ANY holiday and instead of visiting went and surfed the 'net, I'd assume you didn't like me either. Which is why I asked if they were wrong in assuming you don't like them.

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17 Dec 2008, 7:58 pm

PunkyKat wrote:

Most people I've come across that are not Christian who do not celebrate Christmas say they dislike Christmas too because of all the media attention it gets. Would you call a Muslim or a Jewish person pathetic?

I do not celebrate Christmas. I am opposed to certain aspects of it but I do not hate it or despise the people who take cheer from it. I think what Quilter is saying is that you don't have to go above and beyond yourself to bring others down just because you don't agree with it. You can just relax and let other people do what other people do. Like me - I just quietly sit by and peacefully not celebrate it.

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17 Dec 2008, 8:10 pm

I love Christmas. I love the music and lights and cartoons, everything.

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17 Dec 2008, 8:56 pm

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I don't see why you call yourself a Christian. If you aren't, you shouldn't.

Being Christian means that you believe Christ was the son of God, it has nothing to do with going to church...

I call myself a Christian because I believe in Christ. I can appreciate Christmas as celebrating Christ. I don't appreciate it for the commercial bull**** that it has become.

If you believe in Christ, why not demonstrate that belief by participating in a faith community? The Solitary Christian is a myth. There can be no such thing.

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17 Dec 2008, 11:02 pm

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If you believe in Christ, why not demonstrate that belief by participating in a faith community? The Solitary Christian is a myth. There can be no such thing.

I have participated in faith communities. In fact I have pretty extensively in the past. I spent 2 or so weeks out of the summer for about 4 years volunteering with church groups to do free maintenance on houses, building wheelchair ramps and painting, etc.

After years of doing so I gave up on them. I was myself at church and I was looked down upon for it. The people who were celebrated as the best were out having casual sex on the weekends. One of them was my boyfriend's cousin who encouraged him to have sex with me when we were only 14 and gave him condoms. When we broke up I was no longer invited to youth group events.

I don't know where you get this idea about how participation is what makes someone a Christian. Would it make me a better Christian? Perhaps, but I have yet to find a community I fit in with.

The very definition of being a Christian is being a believer in Christ. Going to church is just a common side venture. Are you suggesting that, for example, someone who lives in solitude for whatever reason can't be a Christian? It's silly to think so.

I demonstrate my belief by being the hands and feet of Christ and trying my best to live my life as he would. I don't see how putting on a front on Sunday morning for a bunch of families and old folks would change that.

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17 Dec 2008, 11:20 pm

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Kirska wrote:

^^ if anyone needs a little Christmas cheer....

I express how I feel, as a Jew and a minority person, and all you can do is suggest that I'm raining on your parade? I talk about the experience of my people, and provide an historical perspective, and all you can do is make an in-joke?

Wow. I had the impression that Jesus faced the brutal realities of life with compassion and understanding, and that his followers were supposed to follow his example.

Another illusion shattered.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, just saying... everyone else is just raining a light shower on the parade, myself included. You came in, torched it, and then ripped a hurricane through it.

I can assure you you'll be much happier in life, especially at this time of year, if you don't let these things bother you so much. Yes I understand how important those historic events are but there's no use in dwelling on them.

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18 Dec 2008, 4:44 am

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NocturnalQuilter, you may not be a troll but you are acting very childish.

That's funny, someone half my age calling me "childish". :roll:

Look, NQ, you can't be too frank around here about your oppositional viewpoints. Confuses & upsets people.

You have to inert oppositional views gently...

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18 Dec 2008, 4:56 am

Umm, I don't know what people are talking about now but I have no feeling for Christmas, even after buying gifts and wrapping them. I just did it because I felt obligated to.

I call it Christmas Alexithymia. Or maybe I should call it Christmas Anhedonia? Either way it's not a real condition, but just the way I feel about it.

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18 Dec 2008, 5:11 am

I have serious issues over the way that American society has commercialized Christmas (and, for that matter, pretty much everything else). It has become an excuse for a two-month-plus bombardment of obnoxious advertisements intended to dupe, coerce or otherwise get people to spend money to acquire things that they are obligated to give to others whom they may or may not care enough about to otherwise give a gift to. (excuse my run-on sentence)

I also dislike flashing or solid white Christmas lights, as well as most Christmas music. Otherwise, I don't mind the holiday.

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18 Dec 2008, 6:32 am

Kaysea wrote:

You watch too much TV then. If you went and did christmassy stuff like a soup kitchen or make a sleigh or something like that, you wouldn't be watching the ads, would you?

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