NTD--Neurotypical Dysfunction

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Refers to deviation but not any deviation... so what specific deviation does it refer to? I'm saying that some species traits are bad or just as bad, but I'm also saying that some deviate from normal/species typical traits in a different direction than AS does.

This is the crux of the sillyness. Either it is a neurotypical trait, therefore species typical and not a disorder for members of the species, or if is not typical, then it is not neurotypical is it? You want to call being typical for the species a disorder. There are already disorders for autistic persons and non-autistic persons alike who have non-typical and pathological behaviors. If what you refer to is species typical then it's not a disorder, but if it is something atypical for the species then it makes no sense to call it NT disorder.

I cannot understand what part of the above is not obvious and apparent to you. It is no secret that humans engage in all kinds of behaviors that are not-nice, or are destructive in some way to others or themselves, quite typically, but typical species traits are not disorders and it adds no clarity to confuse what it is a typical and therefore probably evolved trait (with some selective advantage) and what is a non-typical pathological trait.

In many cases, the terms disease, disorder, morbidity and illness are used interchangeably.[4] In some situations, specific terms are considered preferable.


[edit] Disease
The term disease broadly refers to any abnormal condition that impairs normal functioning. Commonly, this term is used to refer specifically to infectious diseases, which are clinically evident diseases that result from the presence of pathogenic microbial agents, including viruses, bacteria, fungi, protozoa, multicellular parasites, and aberrant proteins known as prions. An infection that does not produce clinically evident impairment of normal functioning is not considered a disease. Non-infectious diseases are all other diseases, including most forms of cancer, heart disease, and genetic disease.


[edit] Illness
Illness or sickness is generally used as a synonym for disease.[5] However, this term is occasionally used to refer specifically to the patient's personal experience of his or her disease.[6][7] In this model, it is possible for a person to be diseased without being ill, (to have an objectively definable, but asymptomatic, medical condition), and to be ill without being diseased (such as when a person perceives a normal experience as a medical condition, or medicalizes a non-disease situation in his or her life). Illness is often not due to infection but a collection of evolved responses, sickness behavior, by the body aids the clearing of infection. Such aspects of illness can include lethargy, depression, anorexia, sleepiness, hyperalgesia, and inability to concentrate.[8][9][10]


[edit] Disorder
In medicine, a disorder is a functional abnormality or disturbance.[11] Medical disorders can be categorized into mental disorders, physical disorders, genetic disorders, behavioral disorders and functional disorders.

The term "disorder" is often considered more value-neutral than the term disease or illness, and therefore is preferred by some patients with these conditions. Generally, the choice of the term disorder is used to avoid the stigma associated with psychiatric conditions; mental disorder is the most common use of this term. However, it is also used in other situations, such as to identify physical disorders that are not caused by infectious organisms, such as organic brain syndrome.


[edit] Medical condition
A medical condition is a broad term that includes all diseases and disorders, but also includes normal situations, such as pregnancy, that might benefit from medical assistance or have implications for medical treatments.

As it is more value-neutral than terms like disease, it is sometimes preferred by people with these conditions. On the other hand, by emphasizing the medical nature of the condition, this term is sometimes rejected, such as by proponents of the autism rights movement.

Additionally, the term medical condition is used as a synonym for medical state, where it describes a patient's current state, as seen from a medical standpoint. This usage is seen in statements that describe a patient as being "in critical condition", for example.


[edit] Morbidity
Morbidity (from Latin morbidus: sick, unhealthy) refers to a diseased state, disability, or poor health due to any cause.[12] The term may be used to refer to the existence of any form of disease, or to the degree that the health condition affects the patient. Among severely ill patients, the level of morbidity is often measured by ICU scoring systems.

Comorbidity is the simultaneous presence of two medical conditions, such as a person with schizophrenia and substance abuse.

In epidemiology and actuarial science, the term morbidity rate can refer to either the incidence rate, or the prevalence of a disease or medical condition. This measure of sickness is contrasted with the mortality rate of a condition, which is the proportion of people dying during a given time interval.

The definition and classification of mental disorder is a key issue for the mental health and for users and providers of mental health services. Most international clinical documents use the term "mental disorder" rather than "mental illness". There is no single definition and the inclusion criteria are said to vary depending on the social, legal and political context. In general, however, a mental disorder has been characterized as a clinically significant behavioral or psychological pattern that occurs in an individual and is usually associated with distress, disability or increased risk of suffering. The term "serious mental illness" (SMI) is sometimes used to refer to more severe and long-lasting disorder. A broad definition can cover mental disorder, mental retardation, personality disorder and substance dependence. The phrase "mental health problems" may be used to refer only to milder or more transient issues. There is often a criterion that a condition should not be expected to occur as part of a person's usual culture or religion. Nevertheless, the term "mental" is not necessarily used to imply a distinction between mental (dys)functioning and brain (dys)functioning, or indeed between the brain and the rest of the body.

There are currently two widely established systems that classify mental disorders - Chapter V of the International Classification of Diseases (ICD-16), produced by the World Health Organization (WHO), and the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) produced by the American Psychiatric Association (APA). Both list categories of disorder and provide standardized criteria for diagnosis. They have deliberately converged their codes in recent revisions so that the manuals are often broadly comparable, although significant differences remain. Other classification schemes may be in use more locally, for example the Chinese Classification of Mental Disorders. Other manuals may be used by those of alternative theoretical persuasions, for example the Psychodynamic Diagnostic Manual.

Some approaches to classification do not employ distinct categories based on cut-offs separating the abnormal from the normal. They are variously referred to as spectrum, continuum or dimensional systems. There is a significant scientific debate about the relative merits of a categorical or a non-categorical system. There is also significant controversy about the role of science and values in classification schemes, and about the professional, legal and social uses to which they are put.

What Is NT?

Neurotypical syndrome is a neurobiological disorder characterized by preoccupation with social concerns, delusions of superiority, and obsession with conformity.
Neurotypical individuals often assume that their experience of the world is either the only one, or the only correct one. NTs find it difficult to be alone. NTs are often intolerant of seemingly minor differences in others. When in groups NTs are socially and behaviourally rigid, and frequently insist upon the performance of dysfunctional, destructive, and even impossible rituals as a way of maintaining group identity. NTs find it difficult to communicate directly, and have a much higher incidence of lying as compared to persons on the autistic spectrum. NT is believed to be genetic in origin. Autopsies have shown the brain of the neurotypical is typically smaller than that of an autistic individual and may have overdeveloped areas related to social behaviour.

· The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Normal Disorders: 666.00 Neurotypic Disorder

How Common Is It?
Tragically, as many as 9625 out of every 10,000 individuals may be neurotypical.

Are There Any Treatments For NT?
There is no known cure for Neurotypical Syndrome.
However, many NTs have learned to compensate for their disabilities and interact normally with autistic persons.

The Institute Of The Study Of The Neurologically Typical


Source: http://isnt.autistics.org

Well, I'd like to start off by saying that we have to be careful to point out that Neurotypicals individually are okay -- great people. It's mainly in groups that their pathology starts to emerge.

--In particular, NTs have one social psychological profile when they are individuals, which tends to be benign and accessible
--They have another social psychological profile when they form couples and pairs, when a lot of weird behaviors start to emerge
--When they form small groups of 3 or more, we see the rise of peer pressure effects and definite signs of pathological behaviors
--When they form medium sized groups of 8 or more, we see "mob" and new classes of large group behaviors
--When they form large groups of several hundred or more, they begin to form into societies and communities, where the social programming can take very strange local turns

So I would not say all NTs are bad or dysfunctional. In fact, individually they are great. It is that they are different depending on who else is around and how large the group context is for their behavior.

So the pathology is not so much that they are NT, but in their social behavior spectrum.

In my opinion, NTs suffer from a kind of unstable personality-identity socialization disorder in which their social behavior spectra shift dramatically depending on group size. They can be several different people, as they move from context to context.

It also seems that the larger the group, the more validated any normalized sociopathy becomes. So in large groups of NTs, if something becomes acceptable (socialized to be normal) with the whole group, they can engage in some really hideous behaviors, like genocide and ritual abuse. Yet when separated back out into individuals, i.e. reverted back to no peer influence, they become like AS people again.

So IMO, NTs suffer from increasingly personality disordered behavior in proportion to the size of the group in which they are at any given time. So the problem or pathology is not with the NTs per se, but their group behavior.

But I don't think you will get many takers for this thread because people are afraid to get in fights and won't engage in a serious discussion... maybe I will be wrong.

Edited to add: Based on my views above, I might refer to it as USBPD: "Unstable Social Behavior Personality Disorder" to reflect that their social behavior personalities are unstable and context dependent (in particular dependent on group size and group social programming external to the individual). Axis II disorder.

Let me explain this to you again. You cannot base your argument off your incorrect definition of the word disorder. If you wish to give it new meaning, then you may propose it to Merriam Webster for review. If you wish to understand it's meaning, here's the wikepedia version....

[edit] Disorder
In medicine, a disorder is a functional abnormality or disturbance.[11] Medical disorders can be categorized into mental disorders, physical disorders, genetic disorders, behavioral disorders and functional disorders.

In addition... Psychology wants to define a grieving process which is a completely normal process, diagnose people with depression even when it's a normal reaction to a normal stimuli like when a loved one dies (as dying is a very typical trait to the species), and so forth.

If you need an example with the word disorder...Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Very normal to the species, typical reaction to a traumatic event.