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13 Dec 2005, 3:59 pm

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SB2, I know the haven may look like a place for enabling and excuses, but in my experience it's more helpful long-term to support people when they're down, until they have the ability to stand by themselves. After a person has found some modicrum of balance, then is the time to come on stronger and slash back help that is no longer needed.

If a person is down and I know that telling them to quit making excuses would cause them to retreat or strike back, and end up worse than they were before, I won't say it - regardless of whether it's true or not. There's no point tossing out the whole truth when you're well aware it won't penetrate. You've got to do it in stages - and at least in my experience, the first stage has to be the most careful. Not necessarily the most gentle - I've met people who would much rather hear that I'm only talking to them to fulfil my own selfish desires, because understanding the fact that I like them would be far more dangerous than being used again. The haven isn't necessarily about gentleness. But it's about positive intentions and forward motion - whatever it takes to bring that about.



Dialogue in the face of freedom is a good thing. Did you notice how she offered a counter-opinion!

Opinion i can respect, discipline i cannot. i am not a child i am a full grown adult, with some greying as proof to that.

Pyraxis, i always appreciate your honesty, certainly something that leaves me to consider matters.


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13 Dec 2005, 4:03 pm

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SB2, red hair isn't ugly, you asshat.

Maybe if you primitive f*** weren't so busy taking the piss out of someone's hair colour, they wouldn't turn out insecure.


Am i the only one, this gentleman has an incredible sense of humor.

you are truly deep in wit. or Pissy. Either way keep up the good work.


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13 Dec 2005, 4:18 pm

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I also wan't it to be clear that,
That you were NOT giving me a warning, rather an opinion. If that is the case then i respect your opinion, and perhaps i need to brush up on my diplomacy skills. In the future, i MAY use less descriptive type words when directed at people, that would be a personal choice. I would refuse to be censored about such trivial matters as someone over stepping their authority.


no, it was absolutely not a warning, SB2. neither is it an opinion - just site policy about personal attacks - you can read the guidelines here. personal attacks are not allowed, as you can see. i can now see that your comment was about the artwork rather than the person, but this was not clear at the time, as is borne out by others' comments.

i too am a bit of a luddite, so i appreciate that the link was a mistake (do i ever). however, we do try to keep the integrity of the page format, which is why i made the request.

i also understand your dislike of being treated as a child, and therefore request that you do not treat me as one either (apart from the fact that i'm several years older than you ;) ).



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13 Dec 2005, 4:19 pm

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SB2, red hair isn't ugly, you asshat.

Maybe if you primitive f*** weren't so busy taking the piss out of someone's hair colour, they wouldn't turn out insecure.


Am i the only one, this gentleman has an incredible sense of humor.

you are truly deep in wit. or Pissy. Either way keep up the good work.


Thanks, I will.

You continue to make posts that no-one gives a rat's ass about -- because they're that s**t. :)



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13 Dec 2005, 4:27 pm

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This is a forum, not a democracy.

You lot always come out with that! It's a pathetic excuse that you use to justify the unjustifiable, usually.

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We mods follow the guidelines Alex laid down for us. Alex laid down the rules. We enforce them. This is like a big, father knows best state, with Alex as father. If you can't abide by the rules he has set down, you may leave. Otherwise, sit down and follow them. And before anyone calls facist or anything like that, no, we accept that members may disagree with our actions. Thats why the TOS states members are free to PM us if they feel that something is wrong etc.


Complete rubbish. I got an official warning days ago, and none of you lot are willing or able to explain exactly how I've broke the rules.

Edit: actually, vetivert did via PM earlier — offer that is — but I'm still waiting for the exact details of my crimes to be explained. However, that was after numerous PMs on my part trying to get some sense out of ghotistix and BeeBee.


No. its the truth. The only reason this forum even has to obey US law is because of the fact the server is in the US.


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13 Dec 2005, 4:29 pm

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In all honesty, I find this all so amusing more than anything. I know many of you have become angry with me now, but I am not hurt. I do feel a mild amusement, though. See, that's the problem. We're on different planes. I am becoming increasingly bored with the sameness of the posts made here and becoming more provocative to stir things up a little. I do believe I've outgrown the WrongPlanet.net forums. I am not in need of emotional support of the kind many people seek here. I'm in need of pleasure and fun.


your bluffing.





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I know I personally would never feel I had lived a fulfilling life if I never did more than make posts on WrongPlanet.net, collect welfare, and discuss how I couldn't cope in the world because my senses were always on overload.


I know its a characteristic of Austims type challenges, however, it takes all types to keep the world rotaating on its axis. you are not the only one, we are not all just pieces of your on-going dream.
Others feel differntly.

How much is my tax dollars giving you per month in welfare allowance, son.

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I suppose, at bottom, I wanted to provide a slight prod for people to start making something of their lives


And that is what i live for, lighting a fire under the arses of people. Right place right time considerations are important. I would love reading your abrasive opinions. And a person who plays the "Sophist" is highly respected by me, even if they have contrary opinions.

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written by those who stand to benefit from the incorporation of them.

Rules, to me, are:
Made to be adapted to suit MY particular needs.

And i encourage this always, by every-one. don't let anything stop you. But as i previously stated. If you hurt feelings, chances are you erred, to reply the way you did, writes like you had acted with intent.
if you act with prurpose of hurt, there is no excuse.

BeeBee, deserves a formal public apology. Its that darn vetivert who has issues (insert sarcastic name here).
the way i understand it, one moderator acts on behalf of consensus.
She must be commended for taking the job , of tsk, tsking you. After all, you know you, you likely have a track record around here, and i am sure that your reaction was predictable behaviour.
You may be correct in your claims, but you were shooting the messenger.


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To say I have antisocial personality disorder is perhaps a bit mistaken, but I would agree with you that I probably didn't handle the situation as best I could. I let pride get ahead of me. I do not like bending my will; I feel the utmost resentment in doing it. I like to do good out of free will, not compulsion.



The first step is admitting you have a problem.

I know its hard to do.

I just gained more respect. Perhaps i may look at your picture without tossing my cookies.

The final step is atonement and forgiveness.


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13 Dec 2005, 4:34 pm

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Thanks, I will.

You continue to make posts that no-one gives a rat's ass about -- because they're that sh**.


nice to see i'm making a difference.


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13 Dec 2005, 4:41 pm

I'm locking this until people figure out how to have a discussion without slinging insults back and forth.



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15 Dec 2005, 12:33 pm

BlackLiger wrote:
ascan wrote:
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This is a forum, not a democracy.

You lot always come out with that! It's a pathetic excuse that you use to justify the unjustifiable, usually.

BlackLiger wrote:
We mods follow the guidelines Alex laid down for us. Alex laid down the rules. We enforce them. This is like a big, father knows best state, with Alex as father. If you can't abide by the rules he has set down, you may leave. Otherwise, sit down and follow them. And before anyone calls facist or anything like that, no, we accept that members may disagree with our actions. Thats why the TOS states members are free to PM us if they feel that something is wrong etc.


Complete rubbish. I got an official warning days ago, and none of you lot are willing or able to explain exactly how I've broke the rules.

Edit: actually, vetivert did via PM earlier — offer that is — but I'm still waiting for the exact details of my crimes to be explained. However, that was after numerous PMs on my part trying to get some sense out of ghotistix and BeeBee.


No. its the truth. The only reason this forum even has to obey US law is because of the fact the server is in the US.


So Blackliger, is your only duty as moderator to remind us that if we don't like it here we can get stuffed?

Yes I realise you can do exactly as you want, as long as you don't upset Alex or the rest of the moderator clique. But remember, your position of power is nothing without the rest of us. You can get away with it now, because a lot of new people have joined after you lot exploited a certain unfortunate situation a while back; but sooner or later, the ol' chickens'll come home to roost. You see, in any organisation in the Western world people expect to see at least an attempt at some form of democracy, where the ruling elite are accountable to the users of the organisation. If they don't, they often vote with their feet.

Now, don't get me wrong in my pursuit of this point. I do realise you lot are not all bad, and that generally your motives are benign. But, if you don't tackle the problems I've highlighted, then you'll fail, and let down the people who rely on this place for support, entertainment or whatever.



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15 Dec 2005, 12:37 pm

i belive the moderaters abuse power and one time when eeyenteepee was bashing me for some weird reason one of the mods blamed me for something i didnt start. im glad this thread is back


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15 Dec 2005, 12:48 pm

So your complaint stems from you doing something innapropriate, and being angry that you weren't allowed to continue in that vein? In addition to your other posts I am seeing a pattern of very self centered, sad behavior, your so wrapped up in feeling sorry for yourself and outraged at other people for expecting you to follow basic principles (such as not bashing people in a SUPPORT forum) that you lose site of your own WRONG behaviors. Stop looking elsewhere, you are your own problem, and you are causing your own problems by not accepting that and trying to work with yourself to find a better way to deal with people and situations.


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15 Dec 2005, 12:55 pm

in the words of minor threat

IM Guilty of being RIGHT

everybody else missunderstood
i was bashed first


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15 Dec 2005, 12:56 pm

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my hair is actually red, not orange.


really? i'd describe it as strawberry-blonde, myself.



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15 Dec 2005, 1:11 pm

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everybody else missunderstood
i was bashed first


People will make their own minds up either way, and I dare say most people actually couldn't care less that we are bickering and especially couldn't give a damn who started what. It really doesn't matter to anyone, except you it seems.

If it makes any difference, I wasn't trying to bash you and I'm sorry I misjudged you. My fault.

Anyway, 'nuff said. I'll leave you to get the last word in because I don't have anything else to say on the matter.


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15 Dec 2005, 1:24 pm

lets end the whole thing right now cause i know what i happend and poofits STAY OUT OF IT you didnt know what happened


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15 Dec 2005, 1:30 pm

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i belive the moderaters abuse power and one time when eeyenteepee was bashing me for some weird reason one of the mods blamed me for something i didnt start. im glad this thread is back


right, i just found and read the thread where eyeenteepee was "bashing you" and i found a nice little insult aimed at me too (as well as several other WP members).

you need to learn the difference between when someone is being friendly towards you and when someone is being rude towards you. i'm telling you this because, if you over-come this problem, you will find it easier to make friends in real life. if you didn't take yourself so seriously, you would understand that me and eyeenteepee were on your side the whole time.