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MindOfOrderedChaos
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02 Jan 2006, 6:29 am

Or though death may not be the worse thing that can happen to you it is the end of your existance. All your memories and thoughts are lost forever. You will never see again you will never feel again. As long as you are alive there is usually some scrap of hope that things can get better if things are going bad for you. Besides its major to stop existing. When you die its like you never existed to you. It doesn't really matter if people liked you and still think about you when you are dead. because you are dead and can't care about a thing.

I struggle with the idea of death. I know that people are born and then people die and slowly over a long period of time hopefully existance improves abit and people get smarter. But it just seems so cold that every one dies even though it happens. I don't really think there is many reasons out there that you can use to jusitify ending some ones life (ending some ones world) unless they are terminally ill with some disease that makes every waking moment of there existance pure physical pain.

I think some times about how no matter how much I may achieve in life how really in the end I won't care. In the end I will be dead. No matter how much I touch other peoples lives eventually they will die too. Every body dies and more than half the people that exist don't care that every single concese mind in existance at this very moment. Think of the 6 billion people on the face of this earth. And know that every single one of them will most likely be dead with in 130 years and most of them will be dead with in 70 years. Time is the enemy. My body even though it is healthy now will eventually turn on me and theres nothing I can do.

Ok I've gone off subject here. But I do think death is a fairly bad thing to have happen to you. I don't thinking about how the people that get killed by the serial killer felt before it and how there existance ends. They may not think like you do but they still think and they still see out eyes just like you can.



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02 Jan 2006, 6:47 am

Most people don't think about death, most people don't deliberate over that problem of, "Uhhh... so what is non-existance like?" But there are people who have core rules which dictate that they'd rather die that such and such. Me personally, i believe when i die not only will that be the end of existance for me, but it will be the end of existance period. Due to the inability to experiance it will be irrelevant all that i did in life, and the world will be as though it never was. And i'm totally cool with that. No sense in worrying over something i cant change. As for why with this outlook i dont kill myself right now to speed up the complete disolvance of relevance, is because knowing i will forget everything i do has never stopped me from drinking that second long island iced tea before.


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02 Jan 2006, 3:03 pm

I totally agree about wasted potential. I come up with brilliant (if I do say so myself) ideas all the time, but lack something important to follow through with them. I guess I lack motivation, hope, sometimes the ideas require money which I've never had. Maybe I also lack confidence. Oh well.



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02 Jan 2006, 3:19 pm

SB2 wrote:
it is no excuse.

Some of the greatest achievers in life have come from some of the most horrible of back grounds.

I agree with the chap above (CRACK) that it is all about motivation.

Listen to your innerself as it screams at you.



Death came in and dominated.

By design?


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02 Jan 2006, 3:21 pm

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All aspects of your life is simple food for thought.

A mere stepping stone or a hurdle which you must jump.

It has no way to control you unless you allow it to.


Look at me, for instance.

read some of my posts. A clear picture will begin to form. Have i been lucky, YES.

That only makes it easier.

Do i have the things that it seems that so many here are Lacking? YES or wanting? YES

but that is attributed to inner drive. " Luck favors the prepared mind."
it is so true.

AM i complete? NO

i look at myself as a complete failure since i haven't done anything meaningful with my life. (with the exception of my kidddo's)

But i view my talents as having been a waste, thus far. Do i constantly search myself for my talents? YES.

Do i constantly try to find the inner peace? YES
Do i limit myself by others preconceived notion of what i am capable of? HELL NO.

Am i finished making my life better, and yours? NOT SO LONG AS I STILL BREATH.



Who will try?


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02 Jan 2006, 3:22 pm

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I know that my 'in your face' approach scres the hell out of many of you.

But i don't care.

what i have found here on this site are many 'diamonds in the rough.'



it would be easier for me to just say a screw it. Let these people be quitters.

But i cannot. My conscience won't allow for that. There are far too many capable people here who wallow in their own self pity, and denial. YES, denial of what you may achieve if you were to not limit yourselves by the standards placed on you by others (the liars).

i will continue to be relentless on my position that there are many, many, special people here. And i will hound you to move your life forward, until somebody does, then another, and yet another.

i didn't find this site by accident. i was led here by my innerself, screaming at me. He was telling me that there is an answer out there and i believe the answer is somewhere here.

Could it be you, or you, or you ,or you, or you.

How will we ever know, if any of you don't pick yourself up by the bootstrap, and overcome your issues. Stand tall. Be Counted. Be what you were designed for.

And how selfish of you for not trying. It could be you, who makes a difference for all of us. And i do not mean AS folk. I mean all regular people throughout the world, who have been beaten down and left their spirits crushed. Every body owes it to every other living being to stand and fight against the machine of lies.



Rant complete.

for now, but mark my words, you may have given up on your dreams but i have not given up for you. i believe in you.


Who can honestly say, they aspire to quit?


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02 Jan 2006, 4:14 pm

MindOfOrderedChaos wrote:
I struggle with the idea of death. I know that people are born and then people die and slowly over a long period of time hopefully existance improves abit and people get smarter. But it just seems so cold that every one dies even though it happens.


One way of thinking about it - the things we have today, like medicine, scientific knowledge, literature and art, are the result of other people's labour. Many of those people are dead. If we benefit from the work of people in the past, why shouldn't we reciprocate by working for the future?

Cells die but the body lives on - the only flaw in that analogy is that I don't think cells 'know' they're going to die...



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02 Jan 2006, 6:54 pm

I did not come here with the intention of causing trouble, but im pretty sure this post will.

SB2, I completely disagree with everything you are saying. The world does not smell of roses, good things happen to bad people and bad thigns happen to good people. Just trying isn't good enough. I've looked at my life and strived for what I want and where am I? In the gutter. Yeah, the American dream, eh? Well I'm not american, and even there the dream is a sham. All I see is you forcing your opinion onto others like some form of gospel truth and criticising others for not being the perfect being which nobody can be. Blaming society? Why the hell not? humans are, by nature, complete a**holes. We created a construct known as society to keep those in charge in charge and those at the bottom at the bottom. Rambling on about potential and how we need to make a difference in our own lives is dumb to me, what, you think we HAVEN'T tried to change our lives? You think we HAVEN'T sought to end our own unhappiness? I have, didn't change a damn thing. No priest in a mobile pulpit will change that. I know I'm too much of a pessimist for my own good, but you gotta realise that there is a time and a place for optimism, and it isnt all the time and every place. Ive never used my AS as an excuse for anything, though if I did it'd be a valid one. However, your rants about how we need to change ourself isn't gonna change us, hell, it's taken me one step further into bitterness. Life's not easy, and I would bet every penny I have (all 50 of them) that your hopelessly misguided enthusiasm for life is only there to mask something missing in YOUR life. The difference is some of us choose to voice our problems, and some set unrealistic goals in an attempt to come across as some kind of saviour to the poor aspies, whether through demeaning them or making them feel more insecure when they already do. I am the former, you are the latter and unfortunately, with me, you've succeeded.



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02 Jan 2006, 7:19 pm

i don't know about trouble. interesting food for thought.
i have not lived up to my potential and never will. too many obstacles and no amount of optimism will overcome a racist society where its better to be mediocre if you come in a brown package. then people want to help you, give you opportunities to assauge their troubled consciences. come looking smarter than them and you are a threat.
i am a threat.
on the other hand, i don't find SB2 disheartening. he's had a better life. he has a wife and children and a good job. that is rare among those of us who are not in the computer field. i don't think he is coming from a position of condescension. but i agree his viewpoint is a little naive. but it would not be in his nature to sing the blues, and should he? it is in my nature to sing the blues, i have suffered mightily. perhaps this is his way of empathy or encouragement. he can't say i know how you feel. maybe this is his (typically aspergers) way of saying i hope you feel better.
i have seen same happen over and over on this site. it rankled me the first time it happened, but after some discussion (look for the invasion of wp thread) i realized that it was a natural thing, perhaps even just a human thing.
is all my potential wasted? depends. i enjoy it. every once in a while another person enjoys it. every once in a while i get some kudos. and if i work at it maybe someday lots of others will appreciate me.
am i telling you everything's going to be alright? to try harder?
no.
i am telling these things to myself.
makes me wonder if SB2 isn't talking to himself as well.


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02 Jan 2006, 7:31 pm

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I did not come here with the intention of causing trouble, but im pretty sure this post will.

SB2, I completely disagree with everything you are saying. The world does not smell of roses, good things happen to bad people and bad thigns happen to good people. Just trying isn't good enough. I've looked at my life and strived for what I want and where am I? In the gutter. Yeah, the American dream, eh? Well I'm not american, and even there the dream is a sham. All I see is you forcing your opinion onto others like some form of gospel truth and criticising others for not being the perfect being which nobody can be. Blaming society? Why the hell not? humans are, by nature, complete a**holes. We created a construct known as society to keep those in charge in charge and those at the bottom at the bottom. Rambling on about potential and how we need to make a difference in our own lives is dumb to me, what, you think we HAVEN'T tried to change our lives? You think we HAVEN'T sought to end our own unhappiness? I have, didn't change a dam* thing. No priest in a mobile pulpit will change that. I know I'm too much of a pessimist for my own good, but you gotta realise that there is a time and a place for optimism, and it isnt all the time and every place. Ive never used my AS as an excuse for anything, though if I did it'd be a valid one. However, your rants about how we need to change ourself isn't gonna change us, hell, it's taken me one step further into bitterness. Life's not easy, and I would bet every penny I have (all 50 of them) that your hopelessly misguided enthusiasm for life is only there to mask something missing in YOUR life. The difference is some of us choose to voice our problems, and some set unrealistic goals in an attempt to come across as some kind of saviour to the poor aspies, whether through demeaning them or making them feel more insecure when they already do. I am the former, you are the latter and unfortunately, with me, you've succeeded.



Yes true. SB2 is on the extreme end of the world is made of roses and every one has a chance to succed if they only try. Its completely unrealistic. I think that some people may have a chance at a better life if they try and change there point of view but I don't think I can change most people here because theres to many reasons that are probably a genunie problem. Like for example if the person has all the skills and knowledge they need but can't get throught a single job interview or maybe the people can't even get to any job interviews because they are in a small town or in the country with no jobs around and they don't have the funds or a ability to do all the things that it would take them to do to get a job. That is only one example but It helps me understand how other people have differen't problems. Or though you may not agree and think that other people are lazy SB2 they have had a differen't life to you and they have reasons for why they think the way they do just like you do.

As for trying to say that internet forums is the way that you reach your potential. I find this funny because its completely BS. You are not looking for a sense of community SB2 you are coming here to tell every one your ideas on things not really listening to others. Half reading and viewing from the way you see things. We can never think of every possiblity or else you would be alot more open to things than you are.



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02 Jan 2006, 7:34 pm

Maybe your right Neuroman.



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02 Jan 2006, 9:54 pm

I wonder what is wasted potentials I Myself have Cerebral Palsy with some Brain Damage to go with it with all the seizures I have had in My Life. Nothing is wasted in My life. I have always tried to live My Life the best way I could to be the best person I can be and not worry about what other people my think what a wasted Life I must have. I let other people think what they want to think I can not worry about what someone think about Me and My Life that I have Lived. It is truly up to Us what We do in our Life that truly make it is important to Us and Us alone.

Wasted Potential has nothing to Death. It is truly Living Life the Best Way for each One of Us as a Individual or as Society.

If I ever care for all the wrong ways that something bad or even good happen in My Life I would have then wasted potential of Living My Life the way I wanted to Live My Life in the end.

I myself always have looked ahead not backwards. My Cerebral Palsy My hindered Me but in the end Made Me to be Me. There more people in worse way than I am in the End.

When You Die there is No Worrying at All.

We here at the Wrong Planet can Help to encourage in Our Endeavors that is What Wrong Planet to Me is About.

I Myself am not the most educated, religious, or anything for there more people here educated or more religious than I here at the Wrong Planet.

I just Share My Life Experiences the best way I know how to do. That is what We as Humans should always try to do for each other in the end. So let Us try to do that for each other here at the Wrong Planet.


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02 Jan 2006, 10:04 pm

No-one has any right to decide if another persons life is wasted. I might not have much of a life but how would any person like it if i decided his or her life is wasted because he or she wasnt what i wanted for the world? Everyone's reality is different and so is their acheivements so i dont see how we can find a universal life test to decide who's life is a waste of space or not.



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02 Jan 2006, 10:19 pm

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For once I totally agree with what You say 100%. We have Our own Lives to live Life. We must do that the best way for Ourselves and not for other to tell Us how to Live Our Lives in the End.

We are never a Wasted Potential unless We believe that We are a Waste Ourselves.

I live with some Major Depression in My Life but I see the My Life is Not a Waste of time of Living My Life in the end. But I don't let it change Me into something that I am not. For if I did I would not even be here today. I hope am not ranting on but am making sense of My Life in the end.


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02 Jan 2006, 10:56 pm

What I was thinking about when I started the Thread was about how people could achieve a whole lot more than they do for those who want to. Those who have dreams of doing well in science or being a history professor or pholosofer instead of them giving up hope because they are told they are disabled. I didn't even think of what other people think about telling people weather there potential is wasted or not. Honestly if some one else thinks i've wasted my potential or am wasting my life its there problem I don't care as long as its not me that feels im wasting my life.

I think the potential of aspie to do things that they enjoy and do well is being wasted more than it needs to be.

You must admit if you were doing some thing that you were really interested in every day and were getting payed to do it you would have alot happer life?



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02 Jan 2006, 11:05 pm

I would also agree that Aspies represent an untapped source of brainpower in this world. However, we must realize that the world does not owe us a living just because many of us have this brainpower. What we must do is to take responsibility and go after opportunities where they exist, and try to cope as best as we can in this NT world. I have a wife, three kids, and a half-decent job as a technical writer. In March 2002, I was laid off from a technical writing job, and what did I do--bust my butt looking for a new job. In three months, I landed another technical writing job. I tried to do my interviews the best I could--I knew that I dread the prospect of interviews, but at the interviews, I try to act as NT as possible. I realize that there is an employment thread on most AS boards, and they offer good tips and advice in the employment world. I hate the job hunting process, but that is all there is in the real world. Let us learn how to take our brainpower and find ways to use it to its potential instead of crying about untapped potential.