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NathanYoung
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29 Mar 2009, 2:58 am

The topic is not "specifically" about this person. I also have another name from a while back with over 1,000 posts (SC), this was at one point my only social outlet until I got into day program services. The statistical information was not factual and denoted improbable information which I know is not true. If someone knows allot about themselves and they have autism it does not mean they know allot about autism in general. They simply know about themselves and their autism and many are not scientific experts. I have observed many notions that autism is this or that way for sure and I know personally it is wrong and no substantial factual source that backs such statements. There is plausible, improbable and factual. Personally myself having HFA I cannot say many facts about another with HFA as I stick with the facts and wouldn't want to guess.

There is according to experts little difference between HFA and AS. I know of someone whom I believe that is on the lower end of higher functioning with autism that does candle work for the company and he has had a girlfriend. The trouble with fact in these circumstances is statistics cannot be produced of any absolute certainty given the subject. It is less probable given the nature of autism and in other circumstances extremely improbable in comparison to a person without autism to have gainful relationships but yet still not impossible. I was told by another autism expert that most of the stuff on the internet was wrong and not to pay attention to it anyways. I used to talk about online stuff allot.



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29 Mar 2009, 4:03 am

Here you go (taken from research papers):

Current study (this is comparing HFA to AS):

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The outcome for individuals with HFA is varied but generally much lower than would be expected on the basis of intellectual functioning. Most even cognitively able adult persons with autism live at home or in a supervised facility and occupy lower level jobs or are unable to gain competitive employment. They may engage socially in a structured context but do not establish individual friendships and do not marry.


An old study before Asperger's was implemented:
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No close friends or sexual partners. None reported to have married.


I have a few more that say the same thing; I can provide links, of course.

When AS was implemented, they found that 2% of such actually marry, but this is tentative, so the number could be higher now.



NathanYoung
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29 Mar 2009, 4:44 am

Here you go (taken from research papers):

Current study (this is comparing HFA to AS):
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The outcome for individuals with HFA is varied but generally much lower than would be expected on the basis of intellectual functioning. Most even cognitively able adult persons with autism live at home or in a supervised facility and occupy lower level jobs or are unable to gain competitive employment. They may engage socially in a structured context but do not establish individual friendships and do not marry.


That’s why support worker group facilities exists. To help to achieve gainful competitive employment. Without such a program I would be at the house myself and not socially interacting much at all except with family and then text. My primary interest would be gardening and not candle making as I'd have no outlet. I know of several people with HFA who engage in friendships in these disability center settings and have previous social contacts from school but a variation of the people with HFA established more friends and are more interested in friends the more higher functioning and interested they were. Me personally I do not care for friends unless they are specific social contacts for my interests and one of which is of the female interest. Even lower functioning individuals with autism have those kinds of interest as one with severe LFA used to blow kisses at me at the center. The notion that people with HFA cannot marry is not an absolute fact amongst a greater collective.

Also the DSM I am told is changing which after all these research studies I am sure and many more have been considered and conducted will effect it's outcome. If may seem that diagnostics governing solely on getting married would be subject to as many variations of chance as betting on the lotto. Social service programs can themselves in a comparison to the same or similar framework of a person modify the outcome then when no supportive social inclusion were made. No one in these programs can qualify with an A.S diagnoses but not all there whom were very socially active and diverse had autism but other disabilities. This just in my own experience I would think this study cant conclusively say for sure anything other then the group in which it studied and not a environment for what was said least possible could come about with employment and relationship achievement given enhanced settings.

I am married only by technicality of agreement now and not paper. As soon as it is official does that make me not HFA but VHFA. I just don't think the research study can be interpreted in finality without a larger dynamic of research and diverse subjective probability notions given how autism is in different ways with different people and each of their subjective circumstances individually. That is a headache of absolute discovery and the concept of absolute can be frustrating for some.