I am an "indigo child" (Try and prove me wrong!)

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(runs to bathroom to wash face as coffee is spluttered all over cheeks, neck and t.shirt.)

But Inventor...we don't want to give blue jeans a bad name.

haha eaten by doggies and possibly has squibbles living in that empty space behind that blank stare.

Evidence, Please?

Established rules of evidence must be strictly adhered to. Written testimony must be the original document and must be dated and signed by the author, and preferably notarized or otherwise witnessed and attested to. Physical evidence must include documentation establishing chain of custody. Any evidence not meeting these criteria shall be deemed invalid, and thus inadmissable.

The burden of proof lies squarely upon the person making the positive claim - that's you, Dusekbr. So pony up your affidavits or admit that your claim of being an "Indigo Child" is invalid.

Ah, so, "indigos" are orangutans (48 chromosomes)?

That explains a lot.

"Help! I'm being oppressed!"

I didn't think the word "oppressed" could be even more degraded in meaning than it currently is until I saw your post.

At least in theory, if you are a 20-something male with blond hair, blue eyes and an IQ of 130 you should pretty much inherently have a leg up on 99%+ of the world's population, for a multitude of logistical, cultural and social reasons. I know that is an oversimplification, but it's anthropology 101.

If you need to attach a label to yourself such as "indigo" (this discussion was the first I ever heard of that), in light of the above reasons that just sounds like massive insecurity to me, whether it's "true" or not, but whatever, that's your prerogative, and more power to you.

No one can "prove" you wrong, nor can you "prove" yourself correct, in a scenario/discussion in which scientific "proof", at present, does not exist. I don't understand the uproar here, if it makes you feel good to be "indigo", you can be whatever you like if you believe in it enough. Once again, that's your deal, not ours.

Do you have any idea how very easy it is to check for extra chromosomes? It is well within the limits of even the most pedestrian legitimate biological research.
No, and neither do the majority of autistic people, and of course some non-autistic people do.

Welcome. You're a feisty spirit too.
I don't feel any need to ambush you.

However, for some reason I just had a vague memory about a movie from the 80's called Children of the corn. I don't remember movies in great detail but I think it was the blonde hair and blue eyes that made me remember pieces of the film.

Maybe it was another movie.

There's also the fact that in the cases I've seen, having extra chromosomes is harmful. Most of the time having extra chromosomes results in a non-viable fetus. There are some cases where the fetus can survive but not without consequences for the development for the fetus - Downs Syndrome is the most widely known example.

If there was a case of a group of people with extra chromosomes that not only do not result in mental retardation but actually benefit the individuals, scientists would be jumping over it with visions of Nobel Prizes. And as you point out, it is hardly difficult to test.

Also, as I pointed out having *more* chromosomes doesn't necessarily mean you are more intelligent or talented. Orangutans and the tobacco plant have more chromosomes than humans. Still, it is expected of people with little understanding of science but try to co-opt buzz words from science in order to provide some sort of basis for tricking people.

Looking at the supposed "traits" of indigo children:

1. They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it).
2. They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others don't share that.
3. Self-worth is not a big issue. They often tell the parents "who they are."
4. They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).
5. They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.
6. They get frustrated with systems that are ritual-oriented and don't require creative thought.
7. They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (nonconforming to any system).
8. They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.
9. They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").
10. They are not shy in letting you know what they need.

Not only are they amazingly vague as others have pointed out, there is already another name for children who consistently display this sort of behavior - spoiled brats who think they are special and better than everyone else and need to learn a harsh dose of reality. Academics forced to teach them label them "precious precious little snowflakes" who think they are oh, so more special than everyone else. The traditional Chinese view would say they have been "nurtured badly" and "it's all the parents fault". Why does one need to invent new labels to describe something that already has a million and one appropriate names?

Hey, you know, this list of characteristics could apply very well to the "Masters of the Universe" who brought the downfall of the world financial system. I guess we've just found our indigo children (grown up)!

Another thing I'd like to point out is that if these so-called indigos are supposed to be more "spiritually enlightened" they sure the hell got those list of characteristics wrong. Throughout the millennia great spiritual leaders have promoted humility as one of great virtues - Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Gandhi, not arrogance and that list is all arrogance. Also the great spiritual leaders promote the universality of their beliefs to encompass all of mankind not confine it to some special subset. Also the great spiritual leaders had enormous charisma and social skills.

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when i first heard about "indigo children", i thought they were using a "prettier" term to refer to "blue babies"

I think theres a relation to mental disorders and "indigo childern". Indigos are basically psychics. I Have a lot of indigo traits but dont have blue eyes, and my aura is usually green. I have profitic dreams and other psychic abilities too. I think that people who have mental "disorders" have areas of streangths in other areas than where they have things that they have a hard time with and for many of us its psychic abilities.

Another thing is apparently the guy who wrote the original book on indigo children claimed that he was channeling an alien being called "Kyron" who told him all this.

Seriously speaking I wouldn't have that much trouble with this if its believers just admit that it's a bloody religion and stop trying to (falsely) claim science "proves" their claims.

People can believe whatever wacked out beliefs they want to believe. Just don't co-opt science into it!

I assumed WP would be a little more open minded to this, but you guys just might be even denser than the majority of NTs.

Go to mininova.org and search "Indigo Evolution" - Not much science in there, but plenty of emotional appeal for you drama queens.

As I have reached and passed self-actualization I'm able to process your "theory of mind." When and if you reach this stage you will as well. It is humorous to me when someone accuses me of "gloating" despite I am clearly not. It is most humorous because the only reason they assume I would do have this behavior is because it is the behavior they would likely assume. Keep sticking around this thread and you'll learn more applied psychology.

Since you are all too lazy to even go to google and search yourselves; I will just post some tid-bits here since you your too lazy/incapable of processing all the information in a short period of time (until proven otherwise.)

All quotes from wikipedia..

Those are just a few of the traits that supposedly make these beings unique and superior to the rest of humanity. But wait, some of these things sound familiar. Could it be that psychologists have already identified such a condition? The traits of Indigo Children and Starseeds (I will use the term "Indigo" for both from this point on for sake of simplicity) sound a lot like symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome.

Asperger's Syndrome is a an autism spectrum disorder. People with this disorder ("aspies") show difficulties in social interaction and may have problems with sensory integration. Generally, aspies feel different from others, as they have difficulty relating to other people. They also tend to be extremely sensitive to sensory stimuli, such as light, temperature, and sound. Aspies also tend to have narrowly focused obsessions or interests (which could include space or spiritual matters). Frequently, especially before Asperger's Syndrome was well know, children with the disorder are diagnosed with ADHD.

It seems as though parents who push the Indigo theory are either uneducated, or simply do not want to admit that there may be something "wrong" with their child. These parents want so much to have a child that is "special" and "better" than other children that they are willing to believe even the most illogical of ideas. Perhaps admitting that their child is somehow "damaged" makes them feel like failures as parents. The same goes for people who discovered this theory on their own, and would rather believe that they are some metaphysical super-being than to have something wrong with them. Whatever the reasoning behind it, these kinds of beliefs do more harm than good.

Having a child with special needs does not intrinsically make you a bad parent, but neglecting the needs of your child while instead pushing some fantasy world on them does. Children need support and guidance, not some fable about why they are different and better than everyone else. The Indigo theory allows parents to ignore the real cause of their child's behavior, and rids them of the responsibility of getting treatment for their child. The Indigo theory is as irresponsible as it is illogical.

Parents who have children who display these traits need to have their child evaluated by a professional. If a child does have Asperger's or autism, they need to get the proper care and treatment. Having AS or autism doesn't mean that they are "damaged," it simply means that they are different. But, they are not interdimensional beings or aliens. Accept your child for who they are, without trying to raise them to super-human standards. They are simply human beings like everyone else. If you let a child believe that they are an alien or some other such nonsense, and they don't grow out of it by time they reach adulthood, they will stand no chance of being able to function in the real world.


It's not magic, it's science.

Oh, you mean you already forgot about the bit where you wrote that indigo children have more chromosomes than the normal human and that's why they have their special "talents"?

And those links are (1) about autistics not "indigo children", including autistics with *mental retardation* and (2) not about extra chromosomes or activating extra parts of the chromosomes like what you claimed.

*Roll eyes*

What I find hilarious is that you just extensively quote something without even properly reading it. Why do I say you didn't properly read it? Because it basically says people who push the indigo children thing are basically wrong. I quote from *your* post (bolding mine):



Hey, thanks for that.

I do notice that you still have not posted *any* links to any scientific studies backing up your claims about *indigo children* despite repeated requests that you do so.

A reminder to those of all opinions that you can attack the concept, not the person. This post is already feels out of place in GAD and not PPR at this point... *whistles*

To the OP, I do not see how a series of quotations at the beginning of your post that repeatedly state that there is no proof or evidence for the very thing you are proposing to being proving. The suggestion has been made before here about an association between the spectrum and "indigo children" which met similar skepticism from what I recall. In reading the provided articles, I found nothing suggesting additional chromosomes, only the recognition of there being either additional or missing material at one point on a single chromosome. Your point about the need for labels is interesting, but I do not understand how the need validates the authenticity of your claims. This transcendence that is described can be found in many cultures dating back for centuries upon centuries; it seems strange to think of it in the terms proposed. Personally, I don't ascribe to belief in "indigo children" - and I don't believe in normal either. There are exceptions and the exceptional in potential in various mixtures across existence, all with some gifts and some curses... frequently in proportion from my own experience.


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