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Do you belive touretts is a form of autism
yes 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
yes 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
no 40%  40%  [ 21 ]
no 40%  40%  [ 21 ]
don't know 6%  6%  [ 3 ]
don't know 6%  6%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 52

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11 Jan 2006, 4:33 pm

It was not a single "someone" as in "one guy decided this", it was a lot of people bringing it to the attention of the DSM committee. Including professionals, parents, and Touretters. They then decided that, yes, tics were tics regardless of whether they impaired functioning. This was not the decision of a single person.

I got it from here:

http://www.dsmivtr.org/2-3changes.cfm

That's the reason the changes were made, and it was written probably by the same people who made the changes (the people who write the DSM). If you want to know something beyond that about the whole process, you'd probably either have to look up journal articles about it or ask the people who made the changes.

I didn't have any problems with what you wrote except for the fact that your sentences were nearly incomprehensible in a purely semantic sense. It was really hard to tell what you were asking. I still can't tell if you are or were:

A. Trying to say you agree or disagree with something, without saying what you are agreeing or disagreeing with, who you are agreeing or disagreeing with, or why you agree or disagree.

B. Trying to find out some piece of information, without saying what that piece of information is.

C. Trying to make some kind of comment on something without saying what the something is or what the comment is.

And now you seem to think that I have a problem with you and you're sorry about it, and that doesn't make any sense either.


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11 Jan 2006, 4:37 pm

For instance, you wrote:

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Yes, in his opinon he did made it clear.


I can't tell whose opinion you're talking about, or what you think he made clear.

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But I was implying the official reason for why it isn't there.


I think the second part of the sentence is about the official reason for why the "clinical significance criterion" isn't in the Tourette's diagnosis anymore.

I can't tell what "But I was implying" means in that context.

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I'm sorry if you had problems with that.


That one seems entirely out of nowhere.

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But you did answer my question.


I'm glad I did that. But I am rather amazed, given that I still don't know what your question was.

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Though I personally don't agree for this criteria being eliminated with the offical reasoning you've quoted


That could mean a lot of different things.

It could mean "I don't agree with their reasoning for eliminating the criteria, but I do agree with their eliminating the criteria."

It could mean "I don't agree with their eliminating the criteria at all, even with the official reasons explained."

It could mean "I would agree with their eliminating the criteria, if there were some other explanation besides that one."

It could mean "I don't think that was their official reasoning."

Or it could mean something else entirely. I can't tell.

That's why I've had to keep guessing so much.


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11 Jan 2006, 4:52 pm

anbuend wrote:
It was not a single "someone" as in "one guy decided this", it was a lot of people bringing it to the attention of the DSM committee. Including professionals, parents, and Touretters. They then decided that, yes, tics were tics regardless of whether they impaired functioning. This was not the decision of a single person.

I got it from here:

http://www.dsmivtr.org/2-3changes.cfm

That's the reason the changes were made, and it was written probably by the same people who made the changes (the people who write the DSM). If you want to know something beyond that about the whole process, you'd probably either have to look up journal articles about it or ask the people who made the changes.

I didn't have any problems with what you wrote except for the fact that your sentences were nearly incomprehensible in a purely semantic sense. It was really hard to tell what you were asking. I still can't tell if you are or were:

A. Trying to say you agree or disagree with something, without saying what you are agreeing or disagreeing with, who you are agreeing or disagreeing with, or why you agree or disagree.

B. Trying to find out some piece of information, without saying what that piece of information is.

C. Trying to make some kind of comment on something without saying what the something is or what the comment is.

And now you seem to think that I have a problem with you and you're sorry about it, and that doesn't make any sense either.


I was asking curious questions with the information I've seen in this thread so I could better understand! So it D. none of the above. :D Nice try! And you answered my questions. By the way what are you talking about. I was merely curious of this topic. You don't need to critque me that's okay. :D

And no I said I'm sorry if you had a problem with that. So read correctly.

Do you understand now? :D

By the way we had a nice discussion(sarcastically). :D

I can't tell what "But I was implying" means in that context.
It easy just follow the conversation I was having with neathumain.
You didn't follow it right therefore you misunderstood the question.

Gracias.



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11 Jan 2006, 6:19 pm

You have to ask questions to get someone else's opinion.

Gracias.



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12 Jan 2006, 9:02 am

I did follow the conversation, and I still couldn't figure out what you were talking about. Actually being curious is the same as trying to find out information. So you were trying to find out information. But your questions made it impossible for me to decipher which information you were trying to find out (or indeed whether information-gathering was what you were doing, since you also threw the word "disagree" in there). So I had to guess. And still do. Because I still can't follow that conversation. And when you seemed confused about why (and you still seem to think it should have been obvious, which it was not and is not) I tried to describe precisely which parts I could not follow and why (they were ambiguous).


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12 Jan 2006, 9:07 am

This explains a bit of why your sentences were ambiguous to me, possibly, although I don't know why your sentences in particular tripped me up so much:

http://www.donnawilliams.net/Articles/A ... essing.php


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12 Jan 2006, 9:50 am

I think they should strip the DSM of the Impairment Criterion come DSM-V. If the main symptoms are there, they're there, since so often those kinds of impairments are frequently a product of interaction with the environment. The doctor should only count the person additionally lucky that they've got an accomodating environment.


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