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Warsie
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29 Apr 2009, 5:18 pm

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he started yelling and screaming at me tonight because i am telling people about it of course I am I have got way too far involved and I am sick of him acting like .....I will tell people i am in things pretty deep and should never have got involved I wont take the blame for it.


DON'T. You shouldn't have done that. You could pretend not to have done anything and erased all any evidence/proof. Honestly I would've loled at her getting scared like that. Then again if I ever get into IRL harassment like that someone has to piss me off a lot.

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I honestly cannot see how this was supposed to be funny. :?


The person who had a grudge to bear with the ex was enjoying her suffering as she pissed him off to a large extent.

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at least he didn't SWAT her, like the dude who did it to Kirtaner and some other channers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting

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he has really upset me now he told someone at work that when people with Aspergers are born they should be held under water to drown. That was an awful and cruel thying to say. He keeps saying that if it gets to court he will say x, y,z to get me into it stuff like that.


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That is very worrying.

.......

It could get worse. You may need to speak to the police too.

Otherwise you may become a victim just like his ex-girlfriend is a victim now.


I disagree.

This is what I would do, and I don't recommend anyone do this as it is illegal and extrajudicial; but if he did that SWIM (someone who isn't me) would have done the same stuff on him instead likely, mainly internet harassment.

Oh, and what is with all the people advocating that he turn himself in/surrender. This is....just so wrong. The OP should not have ratted and stayed neutral. He should have deleted all ths information that could be used against him so he would be clean. That is what I would have done.


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29 Apr 2009, 7:40 pm

Sorry Warsie do not understand what exactly you are "disagreeing" with me about.

I said "may" or "could" in all my statements that you quoted. Am merely stating possibilities. Or do you think it is absolutely impossible that it will end up getting worse, impossible that he could end up speaking to authorities, or impossible that he may become a victim too?

Is this legally sound advice that you are giving him, or just "what you would do"?


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30 Apr 2009, 8:15 am

Warsie wrote:
BelindatheNobody wrote:
I honestly cannot see how this was supposed to be funny. :?


The person who had a grudge to bear with the ex was enjoying her suffering as she pissed him off to a large extent.

Yes, I understand enjoying suffering. But I don't understand how it was funny. See what I'm saying?


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30 Apr 2009, 11:09 am

I do usually agree with Warsie on many things, but unless you can handle taking stuff to the streets and keeping it there, then you really need to get some back up. In turning yourself in, you provide information for them to handle the psycho guy. Because you did some things wrong, you will be turning yourself in too. Unless you are a master manipulator able to deceive Satan himself, I don't forsee you doing so hot making any lies to the cops.

Outside of that, I cannot tell you what to do because anything else you could possibly do in this matter, including ignoring it, would be unsafe. I don't know you like that to know how well you manage your risks in an unsafe environment, and I'm still not sure if this guy is really psycho or just suffers from short man syndrome (which is pretty psycho, but a much less threatening psycho--physically at least...lol).

Honestly, if she knows about you and still doesn't want to press charges against you, she's probably a much better person than her psycho ex portrays her to be. And, if you had a female representing you while the victim is not pressing charges, I doubt too much can happen to you. Well, wait, it depends on where you live. Some cops are ridiculous about stuff like I know a guy who lost a job, paid out a lot of money to an attorney, and is facing at least (in the deal the DA offered) 6 months of classes one day a week at 35 bucks a pop all for "obstruction of the telephone." But in my area, that's not so common, and he proceeded in small talk with the cops without an attorney or parent present, and that's what got him into the mess.

I do believe Aspies thrive in the courtroom because we tend to be detail oriented with stuff that doesnt matter and we tend to be too honest. Most attorneys don't know how to deal with Aspies. I also think Aspies are awful at manipulating people on the street level. So I'm just trying to get you in an environment where you are most apt to succeed, and it's also the legal way to approach it. You don't fix a wrong with more wrongs. If you really are sorry for what you did, you need to fix it by growing up and doing the right thing, even if that means some consequences. Otherwise, if you still feel very sorry but still do not want to suffer any legal consequences (which is especially important if you ever wish to work for the FBI or join the military), then maybe consider going to a priest and let him decide your penance. Yeah it's a big deal for your soul if you believe in that, but if you don't, it's still very therapeutic and it builds character.

If you try to deal with this on your own, the only thing I can think to tell you is it's possible this guy is dangerous. When I meet people in a very confontational manner (such as some psycho girl at the club threatening to stab me with a fork), I make a quick judgement call. Who's all talk, and who will try to walk. Psycho fork girl would try to walk, so I mentally prepare myself to deal with that in case nobody does pull me off her (which they actually stopped it before I got that far). Anyway, I've met girls in the club wanting to kick my friend's tail and the fact that they won't make eye contact when they are NTs show me that they are all talk. So then I play Drill Sgt. I don't know how I make my judgement calls on that. I use logic and intuition.

But if you think this guy is dangerous, and you think he's capable of hurting you (even if you are toughman of the year, if this guy has an interst in sniper rifles, yeah, he's more dangerous than you want to deal with), then you really do need to go to the police. At least document the harassment so that if something happens, they'll have a suspect. Other than documentation, cops really can't do much about stalker type people. I've even heard a cop say it's not illegal to threaten anyone but the President. Now if you were witness to him performing a crime, then you have something as long as it's within the statute of limitations (recent crimes). Which is why I keep telling you to go to the police because you are all this woman has for any justice right now.

Other than that, you are living like women who have to deal with guys like this all the time. Your options are to ignore it, fight back, or move away. See how unsafe those options sound outside of the cops? Especially since this guy knows you and knows what he's up against. And you do have something women with stalkers generally don't have, incriminating evidence against this guy. I'd tell you to have the exgirlfriend scream rape so he's locked up with sex offenders, but I'm willing to bet he'll be popular in his own way with the mainstream prison population.



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30 Apr 2009, 6:55 pm

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This is why I hate having Aspergers.

"Aspies tend to be naive"
and
"Aspies like to hang out with bad people"
and
"Aspies don't know when to stop"

The worst thing I have ever done is go on my computer when I was grounded. I am serious.

Seriously.

Not many things I hate more than people using their AS as an excuse for being horrible people. It makes all of us look bad, perpetuates negative stereotypes,. and justifies anti-AS bigotry.

My advice is to man up, go to the authorities and admit your involvement, assist them in their inquiries, and deal with the consequences of your actions. That is what a reasonable human being, AD or NT, would do.



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01 May 2009, 11:29 am

BelindatheNobody wrote:
Warsie wrote:
BelindatheNobody wrote:
I honestly cannot see how this was supposed to be funny. :?


The person who had a grudge to bear with the ex was enjoying her suffering as she pissed him off to a large extent.

Yes, I understand enjoying suffering. But I don't understand how it was funny. See what I'm saying?


No I don't think it was ever meant to be funny. Mike's intentions are more to control through fear or possibly revenge. He fooled the guy writing the OP into believing it was meant to be funny.



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01 May 2009, 11:35 am

You know what's weird? Is the ex's name Tina? I would believe it only because every Tina I've ever met is a victim of some sort of psychotic ex that she can't seem to shake. Whether the ex is really psychotic or the tinas are is of question on some occassions. I have some like that for other names where everyone I meet with that name is.... but the ones I can think of off the top of my head are pretty mean.

Also, for Mike's, they usually have a lot of good things about them. Just about every Michael I met is big about standing up for what's right and helping people. But I can also see how they can be controlling. I have a feminine version of Michael for a name, and I'm very controlling, but I don't use fear to control. I use guilt. What can I say, I learned from my mom and her mom.