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28 Apr 2009, 3:52 am

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As I always tell people: "why should I care what anyone thinks of me?


So you actually mean why should you care what anyone thinks of you except your doctors, your bankers, your landlords, your bosses, your colleagues, your difficult neighbors, the police, your immediate family, your best friends, your spouse, etc. - tens if not hundreds of people, all those who surround you and your life on a continuous basis. Quite a bit of small print you had in your "truism".


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28 Apr 2009, 3:57 am

Greentea wrote:
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As I always tell people: "why should I care what anyone thinks of me?


So you actually mean why should you care what anyone thinks of you except your doctors, your bankers, your landlords, your bosses, your colleagues, your difficult neighbors, the police, your immediate family, your best friends, your spouse, etc. - tens if not hundreds of people, all those who surround you and your life on a continuous basis. Quite a bit of small print you had in your "truism".


I already answered your question, in major detail might I add; you can keep asking it 'til your blue in the face.



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28 Apr 2009, 5:32 am

I never asked you any question. I just pointed to your fallacy.


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28 Apr 2009, 8:37 am

Yes. Everyone for the most part. Theres a couple kids who give em a chance and try to help me but not many. I am annoying, a attention hog, immature, stupid, confusing, weird, quiet,lesbian, goth, depressed,suicidal. Note I do not fit all these stereotypes given. This is what people say about me.


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28 Apr 2009, 10:52 am

It would bother me a lot less if it wasn't quite so universal.


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28 Apr 2009, 11:41 am

CW,

Another fallacy. Universal includes international. Since I know of at least one person in the Middle East who doesn't want rid of you, on the contrary, then your post is not accurate. Kindly correct it. :) :wink:


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29 Apr 2009, 1:31 am

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I can only get along with people if I think of them as customers at work.


I've noticed this about myself.

I'm very friendly and talkative with the customers I meet every day, and have been ever since I got my first job. I was actually said to be one of the best waitresses where I last worked.

Why can't I be that way with everyone else??? I would start trying, but I'd just end up feeling awkward ( :roll: ). Plus I think everyone would be thrown off by my sudden change of behavior.



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29 Apr 2009, 11:37 pm

Manders wrote:
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I can only get along with people if I think of them as customers at work.


I've noticed this about myself.

I'm very friendly and talkative with the customers I meet every day, and have been ever since I got my first job. I was actually said to be one of the best waitresses where I last worked.

Why can't I be that way with everyone else??? I would start trying, but I'd just end up feeling awkward ( :roll: ). Plus I think everyone would be thrown off by my sudden change of behavior.


Simple; it's how we're programmed. We're programmed to do what we have to do to get the objective done. NTs aren't; not the way we are, anyway.



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30 Apr 2009, 12:25 am

Greentea wrote:
CW,

Another fallacy. Universal includes international. Since I know of at least one person in the Middle East who doesn't want rid of you, on the contrary, then your post is not accurate. Kindly correct it. :) :wink:


That's only because nobody in the Middle East has been around me in person. I could depopulate Gaza by walking down the street saying hello to people.


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You were quiet, just like mice. And now you say that we're not nice.
Well thank you buddy for your advice...
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30 Apr 2009, 1:47 am

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I could depopulate Gaza by walking down the street saying hello to people.


:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Extra, extra! Consensus reached in the Middle East! Palestinians and Israelis unite against common enemy! :)

You and I can solve the Middle East conflict!


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30 Apr 2009, 4:07 pm

REPORT FROM THE NOBEL COMMITTEE

Although there is no doubt about the fact that Ms. Greentea and Mr. CanyonWind brought an immediate end to all hostilities in the Middle East and established a permanent and lasting peace between all peoples of the region, the Committee has nonetheless determined that their nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize must be rejected.

There was just something about them we didn't like.


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Did you say that wasn't proper? Did you march out on the track?
You were quiet, just like mice. And now you say that we're not nice.
Well thank you buddy for your advice...
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30 Apr 2009, 5:13 pm

^^ :lol: :hail:

even more irony, sometimes there are people you virulently dislike for no good reason, so you overcompensate by being chilly polite because you know initially hating someone for say, having a very red face is petty....and end up stuck with them ALL the time, whilst you offend and alienate the people you like...


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17 May 2009, 9:09 am

I feel the same way. When I was a teen my freinds stopped hanging around me, and would ignore me if I said hi. My mom has called me a mistake, and wished that she never had me on numorous occasions. If it wasn't for seeing Rent I don't know where I would me. My parents took me so I could see I had to do something with my life, I walked out thinking I'm not the only social outcast and that's okay.(This was before my diagnose). Now I am freinds with Adam Pascal from Rent. And I have the RentHead's and the Pascalians as freinds so I'm not so alone anymore. :) But I feel like my family never wants me around, or they want ME around but only with out the Aspie traits.



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17 May 2009, 2:11 pm

CW, that sounds exactly like the story of my life.


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18 May 2009, 12:46 am

Not sure how you quote, but:

"I could depopulate Gaza by walking down the street saying hello to people"

THAT's funny ! And this has happened to me, as well.

goybandrocks, my father refused to have more children with my mother afte rme because he didn't want to have any more "defective children,' then he divorced her. He re-married a person 5 years older than I am, my step-mother, who write children's books, and they call me "The Black Sheep Of The Family" because of my autism.

My step-mother went straight from college to being a supported woman, paid for by all the funds my father was ordered by the divorce with my mother to pay for my autism for adult support, dental, medical, psychiatric, and my college -- my step-mother never worked a real day in her life. I struggled, worked, and fought my way through college and law school, all the while, my father loaning me cars to get to school and taking the car away the night before final exams, and especially when I decided to go to law school instead of computer science. I almost didn't make it through law school between my father and being a single mom, and having no money, and having autism which my law school did not properly accommodate.

When I did manage to beat all the odds and actually graduated, my father in an uncontrollable rage of domestic violence, battered my head into the walls and doors of his house about 40-50 significant blows with the help of my step-mother, and then spent over $100,000 hiring 5 attorneys to get a judge to let him off and tell me I deserved to be beaten -- Sonoma County, California.

But that wasn't enough that he did not manage to kill me off with his pulverization of my head; he then testified against my bar admission saying I was bad because I resisted his violence. When my mother came to help me put the pleadings into written formats to fight for my bar admission, my father and step-mother triggered her suicide by self-immolation on his front lawn.

The Calif. Bar has used all of this to deny my not only my bar admission for almost 20 years for no reason other than my autism and what my autism did to my family (or rather what my family did to me), but they won't even give me an appeal hearing or the Calif. Supreme Court docket and hear my case as to why I should get my bar admission -- for almost 20 years. The United States Supreme Court says I never got a final decision, so until Calif. give me the appeal, there is nothing I can do -- it just remains in a state of eternal limbo.

I moved to Florida, and married my husband who became a lawyer 6 years ago, but Florida won't give me my bar admission, either, until Calif. does. Florida won't even accommodate my autism so I can ask. Meanwhile, without my license and autism accommodations I require, no one will employ me -- despite my education, abilities, and skills being an incredible achievement for someone with autism and the severity of disabilities I have.

Because of all this, I have been locked in a constant, never-ending battle for 20 years just to keep a roof over my head and food on the table and our car running -- with no end in sight to this near frequent non-survival circumstance.

I finally more recently started doing my savant artwork, since I used to be able to sell some of my art years ago to try to support myself. I also fell in love with my doctor, but that is also distressing to me because he is a neurotypical, and no neurotypical has ever really wanted to be around me, much less reciprocated my feelings in that regard before. I have all the same problems as everyone else here being able to relate socially and emotionally with neurotypicals. It is not about what I want and desire -- I may want and desire emotional connection with neurotypicals, but they don't seem to see much reason to have one with me, or maybe don't see being a friend or having a relationship with someone with autism is worthwhile. (My husband is not neurotypical, but we really didn't get married because we were in love; we got married so my savant abilities could help him in his law practice and he could caretake me and keep me off the streets and from being hungry). I think I can truly say, I have never had a real relationship where there has been reciprocal love -- and this is the deepest craving I can never satisfy.

I just wanted to point out, you have it bad, but it can be worse. And I am sure I am not the worst case of what people with autism have gone through, either. I have read stories worse than my own life -- people with autism killed by their parents, neighbors, others just because of being viewed as "defective."

At least, I am still alive, and therefore have hope someday these terrible things that have been done to me for no reason other than people hating my autism will turn around. When, I don't know. It seems like forever. But as long as we are still here, and keep trying to move forward and find a way to make our lives better, there is hope. I don't know if any state will ever give a person like me -- one with with autism -- a bar admission; they didn't used to give bar admission to women, or blacks, or Jews, either. Without my bar admission, I will never be able to become completely financially independent to be able to take care of myself. It really sucks how the neurotypical world treats people with autism and Asperger's.

But just remember, however bad you think your plight is, as long as neurotypicals go on treating people with autism and Asperger's as they do, there will always be someone else on the spectrum who is even worse off. This is why we need to endeavor to overcome this basic unfairness and lack of humanity.



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18 May 2009, 8:29 am

MKDP, the latter parts of your account roughly mirror my life. (I just wanted to mention that.)