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24 May 2009, 10:08 pm

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Also, the chromasonal thing is wrong. There is a gene that by being present causes someone to be male. This gene is most commonly found on the Y chromosone, but may be found on an X chromosone, and may also be absent from a Y chromosone. This allows for XY females with natural born vaginas, uters, and oavaries, as well as XX males with natural born penis, testes, etc, and both produce apprpopriate sex horomones for the gender they appear. Noone notices these people are different unless a genetic test is done.

There are exceptions to almost every rule.

Yeah, this isn't an exception... this gene is the rule. Its presence creates a male, its absence creates a female, regardless of whether the person is XX or XY.

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25 May 2009, 12:48 am

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I am not confused though... I already am a woman by modern gender theory. Its that I want to be both woman and female. Difference is man/woman is gender which is internal, and male/female is sex, which is physical. And yeah... I'm not gender confused.

Sorry that I was unclear - I didn't mean to imply you were, specifically. But some people are.

I was referring to people who don't find a place for themselves in the male/female gender binary, which you obviously do.

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25 May 2009, 2:02 pm

I would say that I might be transgendered. Since I was a little girl, I always wanted to be a boy and was jealous of them. I think it's partly due to the privileges men get in society, but I also think more like a guy in relationsips and such and feel more comfortable talking to guys and like a guy. But I don't want to be transexual. I'm very content with my body, although... I am curious about what it would feel like to have sex like a man.

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25 May 2009, 7:00 pm

Yupyup. MtF Transsexual, Poly, Pansexual, lifestyle D/s ......

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25 May 2009, 10:26 pm

I mean no offense when I say this, but the thought of being with a woman who was born a man freaks me out and I don't even know why. I also don't understand sexual orientations other than heterosexual, the whole concept seems alien to me.

I don't care if someone is a transexual, homosexual, etc. but their lifestyle just confuses me to no end.

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25 May 2009, 11:03 pm

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First up, its not a lifestyle, that implies its chosen. I certainly didnt sit down one day and decide I was in the wrong body, or that I was queer.

I knew I was trans from an early age and thanks in part to an abusive mother, tried to just ignore it. You cant. I change my body to match my mind because I have to, because there is no other option for me to live and be happy with myself. It is not a choice. It cost me everything. Literally everything I had and made being alone (my biggest fear) a very real possability. It has taken me years to build my life back up from nothing and there is a long way to go. The personal cost of being trans can be extremly high, yet people transition dispite that, knowing they could well loose friends, family, children, jobs, any kind of security. Gender identity disorder is medically well recongnied and treated world wide. Aversion therapy was normal for years and had a zero percent sucess rate, and a very high suicide rate.

Same with sexuallity, you either are, or you arnt. You dont just decide over breakfast that being gay seems like a good idea. You like girls, and some guys dont. They know they are gay in the exact same way you know you're not and for them, the thought of bedding someone of the oppisite gender is just as icky as the thought of you snuggling up to another dude.

Time for a short educational cartoon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKExZKfgx9s

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26 May 2009, 3:08 am

TrinityDejavu wrote:

Yes, thank you for telling me it's not a choice, something I was already aware of (funny cartoon though). I did use the wrong term, so it's understandable.

I merely tried to convey that it makes absolutely no sense to me. Mostly because I never understood the point of recreational sex with no intention to reproduce. The same with transexuals, because I've never felt it I can't understand what it's like to feel trapped in the wrong body.

I don't have a problem with it but it confuses the hell out of me.

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26 May 2009, 3:40 am

I'm a fag, but I'm nost certainly not effiminate to the point where my outwards appearance advertises me as a fag. Furthermore, I have no issues pertaining to gender dysphoria. I am a man, and from what I've seen a lot of other queer people actually assume that I'm straight.

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26 May 2009, 5:33 am

Lecks wrote:

I merely tried to convey that it makes absolutely no sense to me. Mostly because I never understood the point of recreational sex with no intention to reproduce. The same with transexuals, because I've never felt it I can't understand what it's like to feel trapped in the wrong body.

I don't have a problem with it but it confuses the hell out of me.

Forgive me if I seemed to jump down you're throat a little, tend to be a little literal, and ive had more than enough grief from people who do see it as a genuine choice.

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26 May 2009, 5:37 am

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Queer and trans don't go hand in hand, gender and sexuallity are not connected. So simply being trans in some way doesnt make you queer, it does however get confusing as to what straight actually is because depends on point of view, no matter the gender of your parner you will always be queer in someone eyes.

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26 May 2009, 5:45 am

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This is understood.

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26 May 2009, 6:29 am

I'm asexual. A lot of people don't even know what it is, or has a very bad understanding of it...

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26 May 2009, 7:05 am

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This is a very true statement, it took quite a while for me to figure this part out myself, and so few people know enough about gender theory to understand the truth. Easy way to look at it, You have 2 male genders (cis and trans males) and 2 female genders (cis and trans females) and it is perfectly straight for any combination that involves both a male and female gender. This becomes confusing when a trans who is not out about it and can end up in a homosexual relationship with someone who believes it is a heterosexual relationship.

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26 May 2009, 7:25 am

Padium wrote:

This becomes confusing when a trans who is not out about it and can end up in a homosexual relationship with someone who believes it is a heterosexual relationship.

Sadly, this can have disastrous consequences. For the record though, I would assume that for a long term transgendered relationship to work, the TG person would most likely have to have undergone sexual reassignment surgery, or if pre surgery, the other partner would have to be bisexual.

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26 May 2009, 7:28 am

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Padium wrote:

This becomes confusing when a trans who is not out about it and can end up in a homosexual relationship with someone who believes it is a heterosexual relationship.

Not always the case. I have a friend, she is pre op, and her boyfriend is straight, and accepting of the fact that she still has man parts.

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26 May 2009, 8:18 am

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I identify as man but my brain in some aspects is more female. I'm not transexual or anything, far from. I'm happy with being a guy but thinking like a girl sometimes.

I know what you mean. Honestly, I think I was supposed to be somewhere inbetween. Have thought so for years. I may have even been, it feels like I was stitched up under there. I am definately more male than female in my mind, though, and wouldn't want docs messing around down there any more than they already have. They've done enough damage. Why can't they just leave us alone until we complain about a problem?

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