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kraftiekortie
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12 Dec 2017, 11:49 am

Hey Ezra....where have I "shot down" anything????

Where did I say that I have "all the answers?"



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12 Dec 2017, 11:50 am

At what point did I say I "knew all the angles?

Where are you getting this from?

You have to read the totality's of peoples' post---to determine what people actually feel.

Perhaps...you are having fun with me? If so...I just shrug, and say "What the heck?"



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12 Dec 2017, 11:52 am

As a matter of fact the lawyer is in Westchester County, New York State. So you're probably close enough to meet with the guy in person :)



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12 Dec 2017, 11:56 am

The lawyer won't deal with me directly. I can guarantee you that. I can just be some schmuck off the street trying to exploit ASS-P.

Most likely, ASS-P would have to sign an affidavit authorizing me to take his stuff. If it's a small amount, I'd take it. A large amount, forget about it. I don't enough storage space in my apartment.



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12 Dec 2017, 11:59 am

All I'm saying....if you would bother to listen....is that lawyers don't deal with strangers in these matters. Strangers can exploit people. They deal with the client, or the client's family. Or a person who is given permission to deal with the lawyer by the client, through (at least) a notarized affidavit.

ASS-P has to get his stuff on his own, unless he hires somebody, and signs a notarized affidavit authorizing him/her to deal with the lawyer.



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12 Dec 2017, 12:03 pm

I have the utmost confidence you can work it out. Google maps indicates the lawyer is only about a 45 minute drive from Queens.



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12 Dec 2017, 12:04 pm

Where did I make the claim that I'm some sort of saint----that I can solve all of ASS-P's problems? I never made that claim.

I can't. Not by a longshot. All I can do is listen to him when he wants to say something. And maybe try to come up with solutions, if I could.

The main people who can help him are social workers, homeless advocates, lawyers, people like that. Or maybe somebody who lives nearby who doesn't mind taking time out for him.



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12 Dec 2017, 12:05 pm

It doesn't matter if I'm within walking distance......



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12 Dec 2017, 12:07 pm

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goldfish21 wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
You said "You're receiving more help than MOST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET right now & you're completely ungrateful for it and that's, quite frankly, disgusting. "

What you said here is pure BS. Here is why. For him to be grateful others have to suffer. It's BS for someone to derive their virtue from someone else's suffering.

Yes, he should appreciate what others choose to do for him and the advice he has received. I would appreciate it but not be grateful because it requires others to suffer for one's gratitude. Appreciation to me is a virtue and Gratitude to me is not a virtue but an evil vice disguised as a virtue.


It seems that your calling my words "BS" is based on some sort of misunderstanding of the definitions of the words grateful & gratitude. Nowhere in their definitions, or my understanding of them, is anyone's suffering a requirement. :?

The Dictionary wrote:
grate·ful
ˈɡrātfəl/Submit
adjective
feeling or showing an appreciation of kindness; thankful.
"I'm very grateful to you for all your help"
synonyms: thankful, appreciative; More
archaic
received or experienced with gratitude; welcome.
"enjoying the grateful shade"

grat·i·tude
ˈɡradəˌt(y)o͞od/Submit
noun
noun: gratitude
the quality of being thankful; readiness to show appreciation for and to return kindness.
"she expressed her gratitude to the committee for their support"
synonyms: gratefulness, thankfulness, thanks, appreciation, indebtedness; More


Goldfish, there is also something called context as well. Ok, I'll give it to you that gratitude and appreciation are synonymous. So, I will change my argument a bit and claim that there is a particular form of gratitude and appreciation is something I'm against.

First, let's show what I am in agree with. Let's say I need help to move things around my home. You come and help me to do so. I have a sense of appreciation for what you did for me. I thank you. A month later, I take you out to eat to show my appreciation. To me, this is gratitude I'm with.

Now, you're telling ASS-P that there are others worse off then them and he is ungrateful. What does this imply? This implies that for ASS-P to be grateful others have to be suffering. Others must suffer for ASS-P to feel gratitude. It's the equivalent of what my grandma did with my dad when he was a child. Her attitude was that my dad should finish his plate because others were starving in Ethiopia and he should be grateful that he has a meal. But, by that logic my dad's gratitude depends upon others starving in Ethiopia.

This story is an allegory as to what I'm talking about. https://www.utilitarianism.com/nu/omelas.pdf To sum up, for them to keep their paradise and utopia one person had to be kept in a broom closet all his life. Their culture was a sense of gratitude that everyone else had it better then this boy.

He should not feel gratitude that others are worse off then him. He should feel gratitude towards others for what he does have and the help he did receive because others are "choosing" to go out of their way for him out of the kindness of their own hearts.


It seems you must be confused based on examples others have used to explain why someone ought to feel grateful.

Those examples don't define what gratitude is. No one needs to suffer for me to feel grateful for this nice home I'm posting from. But if I was expected to be grateful for it, and wasn't, someone might point out that I ought to because I through the lottery of birth I could have been born in a location where nice homes aren't the norm & could be living my life trying to find shelter out of the rain and snow. People use examples to show a relative comparison, not to help define the word gratitude - that you should feel grateful LITERALLY because someone else is suffering. Their point is that you should be grateful because you have it pretty good, and could otherwise be suffering, so why not be grateful for what you have?


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12 Dec 2017, 12:07 pm

Yeah...you're probably having with me....and I'm taking the bait.



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12 Dec 2017, 12:10 pm

...I do have regular via-e-mail contact with the lawyer, I gave written him in the last week. I'll write again now.


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12 Dec 2017, 12:13 pm

That’s an excellent idea.



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12 Dec 2017, 12:18 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Yeah...you're probably having with me....and I'm taking the bait.


Hey man I was sticking my neck out ready to do something reckless proactive.



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12 Dec 2017, 12:21 pm

That’s good and laudable.

What I was telling you was that only ASS-P could do this, and why.

ASS-P is not a dumb guy. He can do this.



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12 Dec 2017, 12:27 pm

ASS-P wrote:
...I would rather receive the items myself, but it's looking like I won't be at this rehab much longer, and so would be unable to receive it here :( . At least the NYS lawyer is looking like he would be able to send the package to whoever the recipient of it is having paid for it himself, so, no expense for the recipient.
I had pictures myself getting an apartment of some kind, ratger as Kraftiekortie drew it, and being reunited with what there is of my old stuff there but that doesn't look likely now :( .



Now he's panhandling.

ASS-P, You said repeatedly you weren't asking for money or financial assistance.

Now you're asking for services of monetary value. So, same thing.

Just because there is no shipping cost doesn't mean there is no expense to the recipient.

Storage space costs money. Someone's paying their mortgage payment or rent (or has completely paid for) for that space and you expect that some stranger on the internet is going to receive your brothers stuff (well, your stuff) and store it for some undefined indefinite period of time, free of charge? :? Why should someone pay for that space on your behalf and you don't expect to have to pay them for it in return?

This is why I made a post about your options and pointed out that you cannot afford to pay for storage space & should consider sending these material things to an estate auction house and washing your hands of the stress of it all. Then you can use what money you save on storage costs (possibly hundreds of dollars/month depending on the amount of space required) to better yourself and your health. If you choose to spend your SSDI money on storing your brothers things, you'll do so at the expense of your own health - not being able to afford food, medicine, shelter, clothing etc which are the basic necessities of life and should take priority over "stuff."

Yes, I would choose the necessities of life over any "stuff," if it ever came down to it. I've been fortunate to have storage space to keep my things during times I wasn't working years ago. But that's me and my past. We're talking about you and your present. IMO you can't afford to pay for storage and shouldn't even attempt to keep the stuff.

As for contacting the lawyer, I'm a few time zones over (same as SC) and it wouldn't be difficult for me to make a phone call.. but the chances of a lawyer's office giving any real info to anyone other than the person it's supposed to be given to are slim. However, it's possible that they might have some general info they'd be willing to divulge simply to get that file done with and off their desk. Mmmmmaybe they'd disclose just how much "stuff" there is and whether it's in a box or loose in a storage locker etc.

But there would still be no point in finding out the physical dimensions and mass of the stuff because you don't have anywhere to ship it to, anyways. I know you have an extremely limited understanding of the social world, but yeah, the long and the short of it is that it's very inappropriate and socially unacceptable to be asking for strangers on a forum to pay for storage space for you - whether at a locker somewhere, or in their own home or property. You want it, you pay for it. If you cannot pay for it, you cannot have it. Then that's where you need to figure out what your realistic options are.. ie have lawyers office scan some photos, snap some pictures maybe, and then forward the material items to an estate auction house for sale or otherwise dispose of them.

IF I was convinced there was a point in making a phone call to the lawyers office to ask for some basic info that they might divulge (If any one of us on here could get them to give any info, it's me. I'm a better salesman than most NT's & have a good professional phone manner whenever required.) I'd make the damn phone call myself from up here in Canada. However, at this point, there's no good reason for me to do it as you've been unable to clarify exactly what info you want or need from the lawyer and more importantly you have no idea what you'd do with the info because you have nowhere to store the stuff. You need to make some decisions about what you're going to do with the stuff before anyone can truly be of any help to you.


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12 Dec 2017, 12:35 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
IF I was convinced there was a point in making a phone call to the lawyers office to ask for some basic info that they might divulge (If any one of us on here could get them to give any info, it's me. I'm a better salesman than most NT's & have a good professional phone manner whenever required.) I'd make the damn phone call myself from up here in Canada. However, at this point, there's no good reason for me to do it as you've been unable to clarify exactly what info you want or need from the lawyer and more importantly you have no idea what you'd do with the info because you have nowhere to store the stuff. You need to make some decisions about what you're going to do with the stuff before anyone can truly be of any help to you.


Yeah I guess a teenager wouldn't get very far with the lawyer.