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12 Dec 2017, 1:40 pm

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Better yet....ASS-P should keep them in his knapsack. He should buy some ziplock bags to protect the documents from the elements. What do you think about that, Ezra?


I already said he could just put them under his bed or mattress.

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Travelers to distant lands often buy ziplock bags to keep their important documents (e.g., passports, visas) in as excellent protection.

Really, as I think of it, Emailing is much better than making phone calls these days.


Absolutely. Plus you have everything in writing that way.



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12 Dec 2017, 1:43 pm

At this point, it's probably better to get a scan of each picture. The scan will depict the actual picture. The only difference is the paper the picture is printed on. I can understand the appeal of an "actual" picture---but, until you can get them mailed to you, scanning is the way to go.

Later, when you get the rest of the stuff, you can have the actual pictures sent as well.

Are there things like furniture among his things? Ask the lawyer to describe the items your brother has.



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12 Dec 2017, 1:45 pm

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...I do have regular via-e-mail contact with the lawyer, I gave written him in the last week. I'll write again now.


You should ask the lawyer if he can either send the pictures in the regular mail or email them to you.

Even if seems not plausible, like the non-cyber hip lawyer says "what the hell does emailing photos mean?", you should at least ask, instead of giving up on the idea without asking.

And photographs don't require a storage unit or someone's garage. They're just sheets of paper. The facility you are at might just agree to toss an envelope of photos in a drawer or cabinet for you. Again I think this should be asked for rather than you giving up on the idea without asking.

Just imagine if you got them emailed to you. Then you could look at then to your heart's content on your phone right away. And they'll never get lost or stolen.


Definitely worth asking the lawyer, probably not so much the shelter/rehab place.

The lawyers will have a scanner as well as an envelope and a stamp.

Shelters/rehab places tend to have pretty strict no storage policies for good reason. They see a very high volume of clients come through their doors and many of them are (clinically speaking) hoarders. They don't have space to waste storying stuff for clients. Every square foot is used to provide the essentials of shelter/food etc. Usually the only storage space might be a very temporary locker while you're showering or something like that - small space, rapid turnover - not for the indefinite storage of stuff that past clients are unlikely to ever come and retrieve.

Still, he could ask. But for those reasons I'd expect a very firm No.


You think maybe a rehab clinic place stores valuables for patients? I know even prisons store valuables for inmates and give them back after discharge. At least that's the way it works in movies.



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12 Dec 2017, 1:50 pm

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...I get the impression that the pictures/memoribilia Are alll tightly packed together, that the lawyer/his secretary would not be inclined to take them all out and scan them.


Ask the lawyer anyways.

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I want the physical copies themselves


Ask the lawyer anyways if they can be mailed to you.

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I'd like both the paper of the p/m. and on-line versions as well (+ The other stuff) - but I don't see how the latter can be accomplished :( .


Ask the lawyer anyways.

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He doesn't want to have just a few memories, etc, of my younger years & family. :cry: (when life was at least in front of me instead behind me :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: )


I don't think what you're doing there is going to work.



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12 Dec 2017, 1:52 pm

He's been in homeless shelters where they have "stored" his stuff.

Some of that "stuff" has disappeared.

As I think of it, it is probable that there is a drawer by his bed where he can keep the stuff which can fit into a drawer.

But he'll still have to get the ziplock bags for when he is back in the shelter.



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12 Dec 2017, 1:53 pm

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...I get the impression that the pictures/memoribilia Are alll tightly packed together, that the lawyer/his secretary would not be inclined to take them all out and scan them. I want the physical copies themselves - You know, Goldfish's endless hating against me is really something! He thinks I'm no good, and he decided long ago he was against me.
He doesn't want to have just a few memories, etc, of my younger years & family. :cry: (when life was at least in front of me instead behind me :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: )
I'd like both the paper of the p/m. and on-line versions as well (+ The other stuff) - but I don't see how the latter can be accomplished :( .


This entire post is BS, but I bolded the part that's the biggest BS.

I never said I didn't want you to have memories of your family. In fact, I've pointed out that you DO have memories of your family & always will even if you don't have your brothers stuff. Memories cannot be taken from your brain. Memories don't require pieces of paper be mailed to you - you already have them, they're yours and yours alone to keep & cherish for as long as your brain allows.

Great, so you want the pieces of paper.. now that we're back at square one:

Q: Do you have an address for them to be sent to you & a place to store them?
A: No to both.

Ok.

Q: Where would you like them sent instead; An estate auction house or landfill?
A: Your choice.

Boom! Problem solved. Move on with your life. * **

*Unless you have an address to send them to & can afford to pay for storage there, then if that's what you really want, do that.

**As has been said repeatedly, you could ask for scans/photos and see if they would do it. However, if they're currently stored in the basement of some storage facility then no one from the lawyers office is likely to go and retrieve them and make scans and send them w/o charging a per page document fee - whatever their office charges. They might have a low fee of $10/page for photocopies, or a high fee of $100 per page for any document produced, or an hourly rate of $400 (or whatever) / hour regardless of the type of work performed. Or perhaps some other fee structure. Just be aware that they are a business, not a charity, and shouldn't be expected to work for you, or anyone, for free. If you want them to do the work of sifting through your brothers stuff and scanning photos then you have to be prepared to pay out of pocket for their services, or out of the estate if there's money left in trust with them etc. Otherwise the only way you're getting scans is if you go there and do it yourself and then call the junk removal company to come and haul the rest of the stuff away for disposal.

Maybe you think I'm being an a**hole, but this is the reality of your situation. Pay the $ for the services you want, or don't and don't get them. Those are your options.


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12 Dec 2017, 1:56 pm

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You think maybe a rehab clinic place stores valuables for patients? I know even prisons store valuables for inmates and give them back after discharge. At least that's the way it works in movies.


Not beyond a small wardrobe or night stand in his room. They're not in the business of storing things. They don't have a basement full of storage lockers like an apartment building might. They're in the business of rehabilitating people and there won't be any more storage available to clients than would be in a standard shared hospital room.

They're not a prison storing people for long time periods & thus have small lockers for personal items - incomparable. They're a rehab place for people to heal and GTFO asap.


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12 Dec 2017, 1:57 pm

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He's been in homeless shelters where they have "stored" his stuff.

Some of that "stuff" has disappeared.


Why would anyone swipe old family photos?



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12 Dec 2017, 2:01 pm

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Why would anyone swipe old photos from the 70's-80's?


:lol:

Sometimes I think the same.. wtf? Why would someone break into my car and steal an ancient GPS system worth $zero that was given to me for free?

Because, EzraS, they're not well. They don't think like you and I. They might see value where no one else does & cherish some material thing that EVERYONE else would throw out. Either they have serious mental issues or drug/alcohol issues and all they see is: In a few seconds worth of stealy thievery work I might be able to turn that thing into a crack rock. That's all they see.


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12 Dec 2017, 2:04 pm

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EzraS wrote:
You think maybe a rehab clinic place stores valuables for patients? I know even prisons store valuables for inmates and give them back after discharge. At least that's the way it works in movies.


Not beyond a small wardrobe or night stand in his room. They're not in the business of storing things. They don't have a basement full of storage lockers like an apartment building might. They're in the business of rehabilitating people and there won't be any more storage available to clients than would be in a standard shared hospital room.

They're not a prison storing people for long time periods & thus have small lockers for personal items - incomparable. They're a rehab place for people to heal and GTFO asap.


I'm not talking about a bunch of stuff. I'm talking about a dammed envelope.

Holy s**t you guys like to argue. It's worse than being in PPR.



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12 Dec 2017, 2:08 pm

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Why would anyone swipe old photos from the 70's-80's?


:lol:

Sometimes I think the same.. wtf? Why would someone break into my car and steal an ancient GPS system worth $zero that was given to me for free?

Because, EzraS, they're not well. They don't think like you and I. They might see value where no one else does & cherish some material thing that EVERYONE else would throw out. Either they have serious mental issues or drug/alcohol issues and all they see is: In a few seconds worth of stealy thievery work I might be able to turn that thing into a crack rock. That's all they see.


Holy hell I was talking about staff.

You're as bad as ASS-P with all your rebuttals.

I don't have any more hair left to pull out between him, you and krafti :P



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12 Dec 2017, 2:19 pm

He probably has storage space for his stuff by his bed—a chest of drawers or something like that.



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12 Dec 2017, 2:53 pm

EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
You think maybe a rehab clinic place stores valuables for patients? I know even prisons store valuables for inmates and give them back after discharge. At least that's the way it works in movies.


Not beyond a small wardrobe or night stand in his room. They're not in the business of storing things. They don't have a basement full of storage lockers like an apartment building might. They're in the business of rehabilitating people and there won't be any more storage available to clients than would be in a standard shared hospital room.

They're not a prison storing people for long time periods & thus have small lockers for personal items - incomparable. They're a rehab place for people to heal and GTFO asap.


I'm not talking about a bunch of stuff. I'm talking about a dammed envelope.

Holy s**t you guys like to argue. It's worse than being in PPR.


..except ASS-P has so far refused to find out how much stuff there is. Further, you didn't say an envelope, so of course I assumed "any amount of stuff," that the stuff happens to be.


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12 Dec 2017, 2:53 pm

EzraS wrote:
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Why would anyone swipe old photos from the 70's-80's?


:lol:

Sometimes I think the same.. wtf? Why would someone break into my car and steal an ancient GPS system worth $zero that was given to me for free?

Because, EzraS, they're not well. They don't think like you and I. They might see value where no one else does & cherish some material thing that EVERYONE else would throw out. Either they have serious mental issues or drug/alcohol issues and all they see is: In a few seconds worth of stealy thievery work I might be able to turn that thing into a crack rock. That's all they see.


Holy hell I was talking about staff.

You're as bad as ASS-P with all your rebuttals.

I don't have any more hair left to pull out between him, you and krafti :P


I very highly doubt it was staff who stole his things before. It's other clients of the shelter that are likely thieves.


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12 Dec 2017, 2:55 pm

ASS-P:

What is your budget for scans/electronic copies? Surely a lawyers office is going to have a fee for these services.

What is your budget for storage costs?

Without this information it's pointless for you to ask one of the social workers next to you to make a phone call to the lawyers office in an attempt to resolve your issue of your brother's stuff.


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12 Dec 2017, 3:03 pm

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You said "You're receiving more help than MOST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET right now & you're completely ungrateful for it and that's, quite frankly, disgusting. "

What you said here is pure BS. Here is why. For him to be grateful others have to suffer. It's BS for someone to derive their virtue from someone else's suffering.

Yes, he should appreciate what others choose to do for him and the advice he has received. I would appreciate it but not be grateful because it requires others to suffer for one's gratitude. Appreciation to me is a virtue and Gratitude to me is not a virtue but an evil vice disguised as a virtue.


It seems that your calling my words "BS" is based on some sort of misunderstanding of the definitions of the words grateful & gratitude. Nowhere in their definitions, or my understanding of them, is anyone's suffering a requirement. :?

The Dictionary wrote:
grate·ful
ˈɡrātfəl/Submit
adjective
feeling or showing an appreciation of kindness; thankful.
"I'm very grateful to you for all your help"
synonyms: thankful, appreciative; More
archaic
received or experienced with gratitude; welcome.
"enjoying the grateful shade"

grat·i·tude
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noun: gratitude
the quality of being thankful; readiness to show appreciation for and to return kindness.
"she expressed her gratitude to the committee for their support"
synonyms: gratefulness, thankfulness, thanks, appreciation, indebtedness; More


Goldfish, there is also something called context as well. Ok, I'll give it to you that gratitude and appreciation are synonymous. So, I will change my argument a bit and claim that there is a particular form of gratitude and appreciation is something I'm against.

First, let's show what I am in agree with. Let's say I need help to move things around my home. You come and help me to do so. I have a sense of appreciation for what you did for me. I thank you. A month later, I take you out to eat to show my appreciation. To me, this is gratitude I'm with.

Now, you're telling ASS-P that there are others worse off then them and he is ungrateful. What does this imply? This implies that for ASS-P to be grateful others have to be suffering. Others must suffer for ASS-P to feel gratitude. It's the equivalent of what my grandma did with my dad when he was a child. Her attitude was that my dad should finish his plate because others were starving in Ethiopia and he should be grateful that he has a meal. But, by that logic my dad's gratitude depends upon others starving in Ethiopia.

This story is an allegory as to what I'm talking about. https://www.utilitarianism.com/nu/omelas.pdf To sum up, for them to keep their paradise and utopia one person had to be kept in a broom closet all his life. Their culture was a sense of gratitude that everyone else had it better then this boy.

He should not feel gratitude that others are worse off then him. He should feel gratitude towards others for what he does have and the help he did receive because others are "choosing" to go out of their way for him out of the kindness of their own hearts.


It seems you must be confused based on examples others have used to explain why someone ought to feel grateful.

Those examples don't define what gratitude is. No one needs to suffer for me to feel grateful for this nice home I'm posting from. But if I was expected to be grateful for it, and wasn't, someone might point out that I ought to because I through the lottery of birth I could have been born in a location where nice homes aren't the norm & could be living my life trying to find shelter out of the rain and snow. People use examples to show a relative comparison, not to help define the word gratitude - that you should feel grateful LITERALLY because someone else is suffering. Their point is that you should be grateful because you have it pretty good, and could otherwise be suffering, so why not be grateful for what you have?


Ok, I understand what you're saying my friend. When you put it into terms as you put them I guess it makes sense. Here is my question. Why couldn't others have explained it as excellent as you did?