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13 May 2018, 4:21 am

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*shrug* You asked for evidence, I provided it. If you’re too lazy to make a few clicks and scrolls to confirm that’s on you, not me for not providing it.


I'm not going to go visit that address like you asked, or call that number you like you asked, and I'm not opening anything with my FB account.

I should not be required to nor asked to do any of those things.


*shrug* Suit yourself. Open ended offer. At least now you can never claim that I haven’t offered to provide you with evidence of 100% of the statements and claims I have made over the last 5 years, starting with who I am.

So in future any disbelief from Ezra will be met with, "I offered to prove it to you, but you declined."
I see what you did there. :wink:


Precisely.

But that was not my intent. I figured EzraS would salivate at the opportunity to say "dance monkey dance, jump through my hoops," to which I would reply "I can use my body now; I can dance. (true) And I'm in good shape, plenty good enough to jump through hoops."

But instead he fires back with the unexpected, which is still a no lose position for me.. checkmate, really.

Open ended offer forever & ever. 5 years ago I had the process & I shared it with you all. Now I also have the resources - time/effort & money - and I will utilize them to prove whatever you like because everything I have shared is true & everyone in my story is a real verifiable person.

I wouldn't have taken up the offer, either, between you and me.
Why exactly do we need you in order to follow this protocol when it's available virtually everywhere you look online and doled out by naturopaths in every corner of the country?
Like, if you wanted to go the natural treatment way, there's nothing really stopping anyone.
I don't understand why you're so anxious to prove yourself.
Great, you're a real verifiable person - why does it matter?
Everything you shared is true - wonderful!
I don't get the rabid approach.
It's very off-putting.
It would be nice if you stopped arguing and making yourself the centre of your own universe and actually looked at how you are presenting yourself.
If you're certain of your methods, which you undoubtedly are, help people by dripfeeding information, not continually bludgeoning them to death with it.
You say you want to share, but you kind of overdo it and end up coming across as just plain creepy.
Or it's like you live under a rock and you have no idea of what is appropriate regarding interactions with others.
You also seem to have no consideration for your audience.
You've been here a long time - how is it that you don't know anyone or think things like, "well, he is for all purposes non-verbal, so he may have trouble with calling people on the phone, so it would probably be rude of me to suggest he call me."
I'm beginning to understand the theory of mind concerns that have been brought up by several people in the past.


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13 May 2018, 5:34 am

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Yeah I declined to end up exposing my own identity in the process.


So then keep it to yourself, Clark Kent.


I am forbidden to make contact with anyone in a forum outside of the forum, or do anything that might compromise my privacy. This was established when I started on forums as an autistic kid for my safety. No phone calls, no texting, no emails, no FB, no insta and certainly no visits with someone on a forum.

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How is this complicated? You asked for evidence. I said “Okay, I’ll provide it. What do you want? These things? Different things?” Etc.


Find some way to provide it if you want, that doesn't involve me doing things I'm not supposed to do and wouldn't want to do.

The more you push for it the more uncomfortable it makes me feel.

Someone even sent me a PM telling me to be leery of you.


This is the first you’ve mentioned that you’re not allowed to communicate with anyone off of a forum. I don’t think about these things because I’m 35 years old and can do whatever I want. Feel free to have someone else scour my Facebook feed or phone me. W/e, I am an open book, 100% transparent about all of this. You demand evidence, I’ll provide whatever you want so long as I am able.


Leery of me why? :? Oh knows, some guy on a forum. Leery because I’m openly gay? Lol I just told you a few pages ago that horny local gay guys are a click away on an app. I don’t need to creep anyone on any forum.


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13 May 2018, 5:40 am

Raleigh wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
*shrug* You asked for evidence, I provided it. If you’re too lazy to make a few clicks and scrolls to confirm that’s on you, not me for not providing it.


I'm not going to go visit that address like you asked, or call that number you like you asked, and I'm not opening anything with my FB account.

I should not be required to nor asked to do any of those things.


*shrug* Suit yourself. Open ended offer. At least now you can never claim that I haven’t offered to provide you with evidence of 100% of the statements and claims I have made over the last 5 years, starting with who I am.

So in future any disbelief from Ezra will be met with, "I offered to prove it to you, but you declined."
I see what you did there. :wink:


Precisely.

But that was not my intent. I figured EzraS would salivate at the opportunity to say "dance monkey dance, jump through my hoops," to which I would reply "I can use my body now; I can dance. (true) And I'm in good shape, plenty good enough to jump through hoops."

But instead he fires back with the unexpected, which is still a no lose position for me.. checkmate, really.

Open ended offer forever & ever. 5 years ago I had the process & I shared it with you all. Now I also have the resources - time/effort & money - and I will utilize them to prove whatever you like because everything I have shared is true & everyone in my story is a real verifiable person.

I wouldn't have taken up the offer, either, between you and me.
Why exactly do we need you in order to follow this protocol when it's available virtually everywhere you look online and doled out by naturopaths in every corner of the country?
Like, if you wanted to go the natural treatment way, there's nothing really stopping anyone.
I don't understand why you're so anxious to prove yourself.
Great, you're a real verifiable person - why does it matter?
Everything you shared is true - wonderful!
I don't get the rabid approach.
It's very off-putting.
It would be nice if you stopped arguing and making yourself the centre of your own universe and actually looked at how you are presenting yourself.
If you're certain of your methods, which you undoubtedly are, help people by dripfeeding information, not continually bludgeoning them to death with it.
You say you want to share, but you kind of overdo it and end up coming across as just plain creepy.
Or it's like you live under a rock and you have no idea of what is appropriate regarding interactions with others.
You also seem to have no consideration for your audience.
You've been here a long time - how is it that you don't know anyone or think things like, "well, he is for all purposes non-verbal, so he may have trouble with calling people on the phone, so it would probably be rude of me to suggest he call me."
I'm beginning to understand the theory of mind concerns that have been brought up by several people in the past.


Because for 5 years I have been accused of being a liar, a fraud, a snake oil salesman (despite the fact that I have never offered anything for sale) or told that I am perpetuating a hoax. So, I said “Ok. Enough. I’ll prove it. What evidence would you like? If I can provide it, I will.” It’s that simple.

Edit: Like I’ve said countless times; I’m still autistic, merely higher/highest functioning. Why am I expected to not have ASD impair me at all? Why am I held to an NT standard of excellence when it comes to any of this? I am intelligent. I am Very high functioning. BUT, I am still autistic and have never claimed not to be. Why is this difficult for others here to comprehend?


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13 May 2018, 5:53 am

goldfish21 wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
*shrug* You asked for evidence, I provided it. If you’re too lazy to make a few clicks and scrolls to confirm that’s on you, not me for not providing it.


I'm not going to go visit that address like you asked, or call that number you like you asked, and I'm not opening anything with my FB account.

I should not be required to nor asked to do any of those things.


*shrug* Suit yourself. Open ended offer. At least now you can never claim that I haven’t offered to provide you with evidence of 100% of the statements and claims I have made over the last 5 years, starting with who I am.

So in future any disbelief from Ezra will be met with, "I offered to prove it to you, but you declined."
I see what you did there. :wink:


Precisely.

But that was not my intent. I figured EzraS would salivate at the opportunity to say "dance monkey dance, jump through my hoops," to which I would reply "I can use my body now; I can dance. (true) And I'm in good shape, plenty good enough to jump through hoops."

But instead he fires back with the unexpected, which is still a no lose position for me.. checkmate, really.

Open ended offer forever & ever. 5 years ago I had the process & I shared it with you all. Now I also have the resources - time/effort & money - and I will utilize them to prove whatever you like because everything I have shared is true & everyone in my story is a real verifiable person.

I wouldn't have taken up the offer, either, between you and me.
Why exactly do we need you in order to follow this protocol when it's available virtually everywhere you look online and doled out by naturopaths in every corner of the country?
Like, if you wanted to go the natural treatment way, there's nothing really stopping anyone.
I don't understand why you're so anxious to prove yourself.
Great, you're a real verifiable person - why does it matter?
Everything you shared is true - wonderful!
I don't get the rabid approach.
It's very off-putting.
It would be nice if you stopped arguing and making yourself the centre of your own universe and actually looked at how you are presenting yourself.
If you're certain of your methods, which you undoubtedly are, help people by dripfeeding information, not continually bludgeoning them to death with it.
You say you want to share, but you kind of overdo it and end up coming across as just plain creepy.
Or it's like you live under a rock and you have no idea of what is appropriate regarding interactions with others.
You also seem to have no consideration for your audience.
You've been here a long time - how is it that you don't know anyone or think things like, "well, he is for all purposes non-verbal, so he may have trouble with calling people on the phone, so it would probably be rude of me to suggest he call me."
I'm beginning to understand the theory of mind concerns that have been brought up by several people in the past.


Because for 5 years I have been accused of being a liar, a fraud, a snake oil salesman (despite the fact that I have never offered anything for sale) or told that I am perpetuating a hoax. So, I said “Ok. Enough. I’ll prove it. What evidence would you like? If I can provide it, I will.” It’s that simple.

Edit: Like I’ve said countless times; I’m still autistic, merely higher/highest functioning. Why am I expected to not have ASD impair me at all? Why am I held to an NT standard of excellence when it comes to any of this? I am intelligent. I am Very high functioning. BUT, I am still autistic and have never claimed not to be. Why is this difficult for others here to comprehend?


If Raleigh's eloquent dead on post didn't register with you the way it should have, nothing ever will.



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13 May 2018, 1:36 pm

EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
*shrug* You asked for evidence, I provided it. If you’re too lazy to make a few clicks and scrolls to confirm that’s on you, not me for not providing it.


I'm not going to go visit that address like you asked, or call that number you like you asked, and I'm not opening anything with my FB account.

I should not be required to nor asked to do any of those things.


*shrug* Suit yourself. Open ended offer. At least now you can never claim that I haven’t offered to provide you with evidence of 100% of the statements and claims I have made over the last 5 years, starting with who I am.

So in future any disbelief from Ezra will be met with, "I offered to prove it to you, but you declined."
I see what you did there. :wink:


Precisely.

But that was not my intent. I figured EzraS would salivate at the opportunity to say "dance monkey dance, jump through my hoops," to which I would reply "I can use my body now; I can dance. (true) And I'm in good shape, plenty good enough to jump through hoops."

But instead he fires back with the unexpected, which is still a no lose position for me.. checkmate, really.

Open ended offer forever & ever. 5 years ago I had the process & I shared it with you all. Now I also have the resources - time/effort & money - and I will utilize them to prove whatever you like because everything I have shared is true & everyone in my story is a real verifiable person.

I wouldn't have taken up the offer, either, between you and me.
Why exactly do we need you in order to follow this protocol when it's available virtually everywhere you look online and doled out by naturopaths in every corner of the country?
Like, if you wanted to go the natural treatment way, there's nothing really stopping anyone.
I don't understand why you're so anxious to prove yourself.
Great, you're a real verifiable person - why does it matter?
Everything you shared is true - wonderful!
I don't get the rabid approach.
It's very off-putting.
It would be nice if you stopped arguing and making yourself the centre of your own universe and actually looked at how you are presenting yourself.
If you're certain of your methods, which you undoubtedly are, help people by dripfeeding information, not continually bludgeoning them to death with it.
You say you want to share, but you kind of overdo it and end up coming across as just plain creepy.
Or it's like you live under a rock and you have no idea of what is appropriate regarding interactions with others.
You also seem to have no consideration for your audience.
You've been here a long time - how is it that you don't know anyone or think things like, "well, he is for all purposes non-verbal, so he may have trouble with calling people on the phone, so it would probably be rude of me to suggest he call me."
I'm beginning to understand the theory of mind concerns that have been brought up by several people in the past.


Because for 5 years I have been accused of being a liar, a fraud, a snake oil salesman (despite the fact that I have never offered anything for sale) or told that I am perpetuating a hoax. So, I said “Ok. Enough. I’ll prove it. What evidence would you like? If I can provide it, I will.” It’s that simple.

Edit: Like I’ve said countless times; I’m still autistic, merely higher/highest functioning. Why am I expected to not have ASD impair me at all? Why am I held to an NT standard of excellence when it comes to any of this? I am intelligent. I am Very high functioning. BUT, I am still autistic and have never claimed not to be. Why is this difficult for others here to comprehend?


If Raleigh's eloquent dead on post didn't register with you the way it should have, nothing ever will.


You really have no leg left to stand on in any debate about proof of my claims. You've asked for proof. I offered 100% transparency & to prove absolutely anything and everything I've claimed over the last 5+ years via any means necessary. If you don't want it, then you have no reason to continue your disbelief/name calling campaign. If you come to your senses and say "Yeah, you know what, I want proof. Prove it, goldfish, put your time & money where your mouth is," then feel free to rattle off your list of evidentiary requirements and for everything that I am able to obtain, I will do so as offered. Same same goes for alex - although I do not place him in the same category as yourself, for he has never chimed in and been rude towards me, but I will go ahead and prove anything he'd like me to prior to him considering paying me a visit here.


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13 May 2018, 2:49 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
*shrug* You asked for evidence, I provided it. If you’re too lazy to make a few clicks and scrolls to confirm that’s on you, not me for not providing it.


I'm not going to go visit that address like you asked, or call that number you like you asked, and I'm not opening anything with my FB account.

I should not be required to nor asked to do any of those things.


*shrug* Suit yourself. Open ended offer. At least now you can never claim that I haven’t offered to provide you with evidence of 100% of the statements and claims I have made over the last 5 years, starting with who I am.

So in future any disbelief from Ezra will be met with, "I offered to prove it to you, but you declined."
I see what you did there. :wink:


Precisely.

But that was not my intent. I figured EzraS would salivate at the opportunity to say "dance monkey dance, jump through my hoops," to which I would reply "I can use my body now; I can dance. (true) And I'm in good shape, plenty good enough to jump through hoops."

But instead he fires back with the unexpected, which is still a no lose position for me.. checkmate, really.

Open ended offer forever & ever. 5 years ago I had the process & I shared it with you all. Now I also have the resources - time/effort & money - and I will utilize them to prove whatever you like because everything I have shared is true & everyone in my story is a real verifiable person.

I wouldn't have taken up the offer, either, between you and me.
Why exactly do we need you in order to follow this protocol when it's available virtually everywhere you look online and doled out by naturopaths in every corner of the country?
Like, if you wanted to go the natural treatment way, there's nothing really stopping anyone.
I don't understand why you're so anxious to prove yourself.
Great, you're a real verifiable person - why does it matter?
Everything you shared is true - wonderful!
I don't get the rabid approach.
It's very off-putting.
It would be nice if you stopped arguing and making yourself the centre of your own universe and actually looked at how you are presenting yourself.
If you're certain of your methods, which you undoubtedly are, help people by dripfeeding information, not continually bludgeoning them to death with it.
You say you want to share, but you kind of overdo it and end up coming across as just plain creepy.
Or it's like you live under a rock and you have no idea of what is appropriate regarding interactions with others.
You also seem to have no consideration for your audience.
You've been here a long time - how is it that you don't know anyone or think things like, "well, he is for all purposes non-verbal, so he may have trouble with calling people on the phone, so it would probably be rude of me to suggest he call me."
I'm beginning to understand the theory of mind concerns that have been brought up by several people in the past.


Because for 5 years I have been accused of being a liar, a fraud, a snake oil salesman (despite the fact that I have never offered anything for sale) or told that I am perpetuating a hoax. So, I said “Ok. Enough. I’ll prove it. What evidence would you like? If I can provide it, I will.” It’s that simple.

Edit: Like I’ve said countless times; I’m still autistic, merely higher/highest functioning. Why am I expected to not have ASD impair me at all? Why am I held to an NT standard of excellence when it comes to any of this? I am intelligent. I am Very high functioning. BUT, I am still autistic and have never claimed not to be. Why is this difficult for others here to comprehend?

You are trying to sell an idea, aren't you?
No money is being exchanged, but you are trying to sell people on natural, alternative therapies.
How do you think that is going for you?
Personally, I think if you took your need to be believed at all costs out of the equation you would do a lot better.
I'm actually a believer in such therapies but the way you handled that whole interchange with Ezra earlier in this thread makes you look as dodgy as hell.
People who are confident in their methods don't need to put up wild offers to lure people into their way of thinking.
They put up information about their methods and interact in a respectful way and people are attracted to their quiet confidence as much as their ideas.
It could be beneficial for you to look at the websites of highly successful wellness 'gurus' and see how they conduct themselves.

It is probably difficult to understand your deficits because you have spoken at length about how well the treatment you are using works that I imagine you as some kind of uber high functioning superman, but yes, that is wrong of me to assume you are high functioning in all areas.
I thought you would like to be aware of how you come across as you have said you welcome feedback and if you don't know you can't work on these things.
You can't keep doing the same thing and expect different results.


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13 May 2018, 3:12 pm

Raleigh wrote:
You are trying to sell an idea, aren't you?
No money is being exchanged, but you are trying to sell people on natural, alternative therapies.
How do you think that is going for you?
Personally, I think if you took your need to be believed at all costs out of the equation you would do a lot better.
I'm actually a believer in such therapies but the way you handled that whole interchange with Ezra earlier in this thread makes you look as dodgy as hell.
People who are confident in their methods don't need to put up wild offers to lure people into their way of thinking.
They put up information about their methods and interact in a respectful way and people are attracted to their quiet confidence as much as their ideas.
It could be beneficial for you to look at the websites of highly successful wellness 'gurus' and see how they conduct themselves.

It is probably difficult to understand your deficits because you have spoken at length about how well the treatment you are using works that I imagine you as some kind of uber high functioning superman, but yes, that is wrong of me to assume you are high functioning in all areas.
I thought you would like to be aware of how you come across as you have said you welcome feedback and if you don't know you can't work on these things.
You can't keep doing the same thing and expect different results.


I've never been selling anything. No price tag, zero dollars. I share freely because what I have learned and done can help people.

Why should I not want to be believed for telling the truth? That's a pretty normal human reaction to someone not believing you when you tell the truth. Telling me I shouldn't want to be believed is akin to telling someone in prison for a crime they didn't commit that they should just roll over and say they're guilty and wait to die. NevAr! :P

EzraS is the one who told me to change my approach, so, I did. I offer 100% transparency and any and all evidence that is within my capability to obtain & provide, even if it costs me time and money and I have to knock on the doors of every ASD resource in the city. Further, I extended an open ended invitation for him and his family to come and meet me in person over dinner. He asked for my address & I provided it. Nothing dodgy about that - it's where I live.

What wild offer am I making? :? To prove my claims? I haven't offered anyone any sort of incentive/prize/reward for trying my chicken soup recipe or cleansing their colons. Now that would be a wild offer & one I am not going to make. As for those who are of the mindset that enemas are "dangerous," then please, do explain how every gay man who's sexual preference is as a receptive partner isn't dead from cleansing their bottoms with water? :roll:

I share my life transparently here. You can see my posts from ~6 years ago.. life was horrendously bad. Now? Not so much. Beach time, kiteboarding, parties, Tough Mudder, work/live/play etc and I get told I'm "bragging." No. I'm not bragging about making below average wages. I'm sharing that via very simple medicine it is possible for us to work/live/play in the social world with everyone else and I get called names for it. So much for the tolerance and acceptance that some preach here but do not practice. Like I said earlier: It's a damned good thing that I have a VERY thick skin and do not come here for any sort of positive reinforcement or encouragement, for many here are incredibly nasty & rude towards me. If they are of the anti-treatment camp, then by all means, make the choice not to treat your symptoms & live with it - but there's no need to spew such hatred towards those that choose to live better lives through medicine.

Like I responded to EzraS, people here keep using the phrase "mind blind," as they attempt to diagnose me as if they are qualified experts and capable of doing so. Regardless, would you ask a blind man to describe what he cannot see? (On that note: Why would I think that EzraS particular disabilities preclude him from making a phone call? I've received phone calls from my deaf friends who cannot hear. The technology/services exist should he want to make a telephone call himself.)

EzraS made that point loud and clear. I'm not doing the same things and expecting different results. I offered up an entirely different thing vs. my word. I offered to prove 100% of my claims to his standards via whatever means necessary, even if it takes me a couple of years and costs me $10,000.00. That's VERY different from me continuing to tell you that I'm telling the God's honest truth about my entire life's experiences, especially those over the last 5-6 years. Most definitely not the same thing.


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13 May 2018, 4:12 pm

Ok, well, I see this is going nowhere.
Best wishes, gf. :D


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^It's a bit of repetitive thread , does gf = get f****d :P


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13 May 2018, 4:36 pm

^ :lol:

No, I didn't even make that connection until you pointed it out.


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13 May 2018, 9:58 pm

Every once in a while someone on a forum invites someone else over. Usually as a challenge. But when pressed for an address that person usually backs down. I was a tad curious to see if you would back down or follow through. But like you said when suggesting I make one, there are phony fb accounts. People catfishing and such with elaborate fictitious fb accounts. Really what you should do if you want to been seen as a real boy, is make some youtube videos of yourself. When a forum member posts youtube videos of themself, it's the next best thing to meeting them in person.



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14 May 2018, 11:15 am

Hi everyone,

I got into taking gut-flora capsules a couple of years back, as they help take the sharp-edge out of my exhaustive oxidative stress aches and pains, and help with hypersensitivity issues such as nervous pins-and-needles infernos, stress induced urticaria and clanging body field pulsations and distentions. I have also been able to eat wheat products again (although experimentally and cautiously presently) as my body used to pass out leaving me having to wait inside until it woke up again.

I take activated charcoal, high-strength vitamin C tablets, along with multivamins and all that healthy diet sort of thing. I also have long hot baths with 800 grams of bicarbonate of soda, 500 grams of pink mountain-salt and 250 grams of magnesium flakes mixed in ~ to draw toxins out and lower body acid levels, on three and four day intervals (as anything more regular is counterproductive for me).

There are 5 pages of article links about scientific research into gut-flora tests, trials and all that at world-wide-web-dot-sciencedaily-dot-com and use 'autism-gut-flora' in the search box.

If that helps any?

P.S. Apparently as a new user I cannot use URLs ~ so until then no back-up data links from me; however long that lasts?

P.P.S. Obviously, my personal health regimen works for me, and seeking advice from qualified health practioners is definitely worthwhile.


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14 May 2018, 12:11 pm

I believe things that promote good health helps autism.



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14 May 2018, 1:17 pm

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I believe things that promote good health helps autism.


Likewise ~ with reams of pedantic meta-analysis research along-side with it too :wink:


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14 May 2018, 2:26 pm

There are over 100 million brain cells in your gut, as many as there are in the head of a cat.


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14 May 2018, 2:31 pm

Raleigh wrote:
There are over 100 million brain cells in your gut, as many as there are in the head of a cat.


Yes. Its viewed by some scientists as a second brain.


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