Self-diagnosis

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Thank you for you apology Sonic. I accept it.

No problem. Thanks for accepting.

Friend diagnosed with metastatic cancer. That, plus a very large & very overdue tax return to contend with.

Still doesn't excuse rudeness on an internet forum, but, cut me a little slack this time

(next time you can rip me to pieces)

That's why we have the Haven here....so you could talk about your friend. Instead of going off the wall like you did. Where do you come up with this stuff, anyway?

Nothing wrong with talking about your views on self-diagnosis; I find you a stickler for semantics--but what the heck? People disagree sometimes. We both agree that one should not declare one's self "autistic" if they are not officially diagnosed.

If truth be told, clinicians' views on autism vary quite a bit. The ASD diagnosis is quite a subjective thing, and doesn't have the rigor of a "medical diagnosis."

Yeah...I know about taxes. They almost put a tax lien on me about five years ago. Luckily, I was able to lessen the amount owed through sifting through old records. I had sleepless nights because I thought they might put a tax lien on myself and my WIFE'S co-op.

I'd rather keep personal matters private. Just my way of dealing with things.

PS in future, if there's any 'unhinged' moments, assume something is up, rather than adding fire to the flames!


This may surprise... but... I don't personally agree with everything I say. I simply look for holes in certain lines of reasoning. Next time I'll possibly take the completely opposite stance.

I think finding potential weaknesses in views allows them to be bolstered/strengthened. In my mind, this is a good thing - for all parties, irrespective of stance.

I do, however, occasionally throw in some 'provocateur', just to get the engine running

My point: assume I'm simply adopting a stance. But don't make it personal. And it did become a little too personal.





Hell is filling out tax returns.

And kraftie - don't think I don't see what you're doing - this is a blatant attempt to derail the thread. Let's get back to the etymology of certain words. I'm sure 'diagnosis' can be traced back to Middle-England?!




Actually - next time I'll definitely take the completely opposite stance. Just for fun.

It'll annoy the self-righteous rich kids who robbed daddy's bank account due to their head-banging.

Bloody do-gooders and their country gardens. Some of us can't afford a diagnonsense.

I have grace, slack and forgiveness. I understand what it is like to go through hard times and to have friends that are hurting. I really do. I forgive you Sonic.

I will say this and then I must go to sleep. Sonic, please keep in mind that when someone starts a thread on this forum, that person is usually looking for an answer to something very personal happening in his life and that thing might be very difficult for him. He is also looking to see if people can understand and relate and advise, help and support. If all the person wants is a debate, that person will usually say something to that affect at the beginning of the thread when he launches it. This is not a debate platform. Just like your friend with cancer, these people here are real people going through real things in their lives and some of those things are very difficult for them. When we post here, we want real and honest feedback from people who can relate and help. You don't have to have the same understanding or opinion about something, that is fine. You can disagree and bring up different perspectives. But honesty and support really go a long way.

Luke Skywalker who started this thread, actually expressed regret that he even asked the question because the thread turned from him asking for help in this area and people trying to help him into a debate with you which ended up with very painful remarks. I think that really discouraged him very much and that really pains me because I know how hard it was for me to make the decision whether or not to get a diagnosis. So Luke S, I hope that you were still able to get some help from this thread.

So you're a troll. Good to know.

Yippy is right. That is trolling and it is not allowed at WP.

Skibum, you have a good heart. I am pleased that all this nastiness is done.

For some reason this last page reminded me of these lyrics:
"I was walking along minding my business,
when out of the orange colored sky! BLAM,SHAM,ALAKAZAM, wonderful you came by"-Orange Colored Sky Nat King Cole

I've got the Tom Tom Club stuck in my head.

"Words in papers, words in books
Words on TV, words for crooks
Words of comfort, words of peace
Words to make the fighting cease
Words to tell you what to do
Words are working hard for you
Eat your words but don't go hungry
Words have always nearly hung me"

The self-diagnosis battles are as predictable as the endless socialism/capitalism threads in PPR. The only reason I involved myself in this one is that I think they are incredibly damaging for the forum, in that they go to the heart of what people want WP to be: an autistic members' club or a haven for misfits. I vote for the latter. It is both more practical and more kind. Most people who are here have met a lot of unkindness in their lives; I see no reason to add to it.

Happy and fulfilled people don't sign up for membership to WP. There is a whole lot of stuff I don't share on this site because I don't want to bare my soul to all and sundry, and because it involves other people. I still try to be nice. I sometimes fail - the unfortunate fate of the besserwisser. I'm sure all of you can relate. However, if a person feels like taking the piss, the nearest Justin Bieber appreciation forum might be a better venue than a forum for people struggling with mental health issues.

If people go off topic, it's because the topic is a walking corpse. Bludgeoned to death and resuscitated a thousand times.

It's perhaps better to ask a poster directly if there is something you would like to know about him, rather than to speculate in public. It gives a person the opportunity to decide to disclose or not.

I also rather fascinated that you don't get it when people are trying to be nice to you, Sonic. What will it take? A pink cloud and an official diploma? I get it that you don't like to be condescended to. Fine. Don't be condescending to others, then.

I still think a lot about the people who read these threads and freak out without joining the discussion, though.

This Forum is a Forum dedicated to Autism.

Not merely to officially-diagnosed autistic people.

There is actually at least one Forum where evidence must be submitted. This Forum is only for low-functioning people on the Spectrum and their caregivers.

Here on WrongPlanet, we don't have to submit evidence of a diagnosis to Alex and gang.

WrongPlanet dedicated to the advancement of Autism, to autistic people, to friends of autistic people, to family of autistic people, to people interested in autism and its advancement.

It's dedicated to the entity known as Autism, not to a select group of autistic people.

I'm self-diagnosing myself with self-diagnosis thread allergies.

Kraftie, I think it's amazing how you always have something good and kind to say. You don't always say the right thing, no offence intended, I know that I don't, but I think the attack on you in this thread is just nasty. I'm sure you feel hurt by it but try not to be. Keep doing what you do.

Well said