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12 Dec 2017, 3:06 pm

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ASS-P:

What is your budget for scans/electronic copies? Surely a lawyers office is going to have a fee for these services.

What is your budget for storage costs?

Without this information it's pointless for you to ask one of the social workers next to you to make a phone call to the lawyers office in an attempt to resolve your issue of your brother's stuff.


Questions! Could he compromise and pay to have some of his stuff stored and dispose of the rest somewhere whether it is a landfill, auction house, or somewhere else? Why can't he pick out five of his most sentimental things and get rid of the rest?

We're autistic. We have issues with all or nothing thinking. But, if we're going to be able to do certain things in this world we have to somehow reduce that, right? I think ASS-P has issues with all or nothing based thinking. So do I.



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12 Dec 2017, 3:57 pm

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...You're full of s**t!! !! !
I waa going to ignore you, but I HAVE SAID that I have contacted the NYS lawyer inquiring what the general mass of the stuff us, and that he has not gotten back to me!
For someone who claims to know everything about me...YOU DON'T KNOW s**t!







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You think maybe a rehab clinic place stores valuables for patients? I know even prisons store valuables for inmates and give them back after discharge. At least that's the way it works in movies.


Not beyond a small wardrobe or night stand in his room. They're not in the business of storing things. They don't have a basement full of storage lockers like an apartment building might. They're in the business of rehabilitating people and there won't be any more storage available to clients than would be in a standard shared hospital room.

They're not a prison storing people for long time periods & thus have small lockers for personal items - incomparable. They're a rehab place for people to heal and GTFO asap.


I'm not talking about a bunch of stuff. I'm talking about a dammed envelope.

Holy s**t you guys like to argue. It's worse than being in PPR.


..except ASS-P has so far refused to find out how much stuff there is. Further, you didn't say an envelope, so of course I assumed "any amount of stuff," that the stuff happens to be.[/quote]



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12 Dec 2017, 4:58 pm

...I can't find it now, but I recall someone putting a link up to some " how to scan " video. The problem with that is, that assumes that I will somehow, alk in one place, gather the things I want to scan, tech with which to do it, the full knowledge of how to do it (from me and/or someone else with me(, and the time to do it :cry: . All of this seems rather unlikely to happen at once :( .


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12 Dec 2017, 5:16 pm

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...I can't find it now, but I recall someone putting a link up to some " how to scan " video. The problem with that is, that assumes that I will somehow, alk in one place, gather the things I want to scan, tech with which to do it, the full knowledge of how to do it (from me and/or someone else with me(, and the time to do it :cry: . All of this seems rather unlikely to happen at once :( .


I don't understand what you said here. Can you clarify further please?



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12 Dec 2017, 9:37 pm

ASS-P wrote:
...I can't find it now, but I recall someone putting a link up to some " how to scan " video. The problem with that is, that assumes that I will somehow, alk in one place, gather the things I want to scan, tech with which to do it, the full knowledge of how to do it (from me and/or someone else with me(, and the time to do it :cry: . All of this seems rather unlikely to happen at once :( .


I posted the "how to scan" video and it was a just joke video showing an office worker going nuts. People are saying scanning is simple for an office worker. Not you, but an office worker or secretary working for the lawyer. Also the lawyer could have the pictures sent to one of many little print and copy shops to have them do it.



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12 Dec 2017, 10:19 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
ASS-P:

What is your budget for scans/electronic copies? Surely a lawyers office is going to have a fee for these services.

What is your budget for storage costs?

Without this information it's pointless for you to ask one of the social workers next to you to make a phone call to the lawyers office in an attempt to resolve your issue of your brother's stuff.


Questions! Could he compromise and pay to have some of his stuff stored and dispose of the rest somewhere whether it is a landfill, auction house, or somewhere else? Why can't he pick out five of his most sentimental things and get rid of the rest?

We're autistic. We have issues with all or nothing thinking. But, if we're going to be able to do certain things in this world we have to somehow reduce that, right? I think ASS-P has issues with all or nothing based thinking. So do I.


ASS-P seems mainly concerned about photographs.

He would like to have all the stuff. But if getting all the stuff is not possible, then maybe at least the photos can be salvaged.

Kraftikortie and Goldfish21 are going back and forth between ASS-P being able to keep the photos in some nightstand or knapsack and them being stolen by someone at the facility. Either by a patient or staff. Although I don't know why anyone would bother stealing something that has zero value to anyone else. Especially staff if he could get staff to put the photos in safe keeping somewhere.

Krafti says ASS-P has had staff put stuff in safe keeping for him at other places and the stuff ended up stolen by staff. However I am assuming that stuff had some kind of street value.

Plan A: Have lawyer ship all the stuff to some WP member for that member to keep until a future time.

Plan B: ASS-P buys storage somewhere and the stuff is mailed there. Although someone is going to have to receive it and stow it.

Plan C: The lawyer just mails the photos to ASS-P and he loses the rest of the stuff.

Plan D: The lawyer has scans of the photos made and emails them to ASS-P and he loses all the stuff including the original photos.

All of these ideas have problems or potential problems.

ASS-P wants Plan A. But it doesn't look like Plan A is going to work. So back-up Plan B, C and D has been suggested.

In the meantime ASS-P is going to keep pleading for Plan A. While everyone else keeps pitching Plan B, C and D. Or a combination of Plan B, C and D. And various conflicting ways Plan B, C and D could or should be carried out.

One person comes up with a theory of how to do Plan B, C or D and then another person comes up with a theory of why that theory won't work.

And back and forth it goes.



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12 Dec 2017, 10:28 pm

We have to know what the stuff IS.....

It can be furniture. I can be just photos. Who the heck knows?



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12 Dec 2017, 10:30 pm

I don't know if I could say that the staff "stole" ASS-P's stuff.

But, according to ASS-P, the staff has thrown away some of his stuff when he's had to go to the hospital from the shelter. Clothes mostly. I think a phone once. A few other things.

With the photos, the best place for them are either in a drawer at the facility or (if he's no longer at the facility), in a knapsack protected by a ziplock bag.

The "other" things are....an unknown quantity.



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12 Dec 2017, 10:54 pm

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I don't know if I could say that the staff "stole" ASS-P's stuff.

But, according to ASS-P, the staff has thrown away some of his stuff when he's had to go to the hospital from the shelter. Clothes mostly. I think a phone once. A few other things.

With the photos, the best place for them are either in a drawer at the facility or (if he's no longer at the facility), in a knapsack protected by a ziplock bag.

The "other" things are....an unknown quantity.


The stuff just getting carelessly tossed out is another aspect. One of many problems with this is all the new/different aspects that keep getting introduced.



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12 Dec 2017, 11:04 pm

This is because I am remembering what he wrote a few months ago.

Being homeless is all kinds of crazy,



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12 Dec 2017, 11:09 pm

ASS-P has to advocate for himself. Put himself on a waiting list. End Stage Kidney Disease might put him ahead on the waiting list.



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12 Dec 2017, 11:32 pm

When it comes to Plan A, ASS-P has to find out exactly what the mass of the stuff is.

Although even if it's something as small as a shoe box, no WP member is likely going to agree to have it mailed to them because they don't want to deal with it. Or they can't deal with it. Or they think him asking is unethical. Or they consider it a personal safety risk. Or all of the above and who knows what else.



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12 Dec 2017, 11:35 pm

If it’s the size of a shoebox, he’d be okay. No storage costs.



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12 Dec 2017, 11:48 pm

But really I think what ASS-P is looking for is a surrogate. A lot of people his age have adult kids they can lean on. Or a wife or maybe even an ex-wife willing to help them. Or siblings. Or some best friend they've known forever.

Apparently ASS-P has no one. As far as anyone knows. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if ASS-P finally mentions he has a family member who lives down the street but he didn't want to bug them or he's angry with them over something or whatever.

The thing is, I think whoever agreed to take care ASS-P's personal belongings would basically be on the hook then. Because I don't think it would stop there and he would keep hitting them up for all the other things he's been asking WP members to do for him over and over again for years.

I'm not saying that to be mean or to put down or bully ASS-P. I am just stating what I believe to be a fact.

Really it's a miracle of mercy that ASS-P hasn't been banned from WP for years of soliciting WP members.



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12 Dec 2017, 11:56 pm

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If it’s the size of a shoebox, he’d be okay. No storage costs.


It seems likely from what I have been seeing, that ASS-P will insist keeping the shoebox at the facility he's at is unsafe, because it will get stolen. And also that he has no way of receiving it.



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13 Dec 2017, 12:29 am

cubedemon6073 wrote:
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You said "You're receiving more help than MOST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET right now & you're completely ungrateful for it and that's, quite frankly, disgusting. "

What you said here is pure BS. Here is why. For him to be grateful others have to suffer. It's BS for someone to derive their virtue from someone else's suffering.

Yes, he should appreciate what others choose to do for him and the advice he has received. I would appreciate it but not be grateful because it requires others to suffer for one's gratitude. Appreciation to me is a virtue and Gratitude to me is not a virtue but an evil vice disguised as a virtue.


It seems that your calling my words "BS" is based on some sort of misunderstanding of the definitions of the words grateful & gratitude. Nowhere in their definitions, or my understanding of them, is anyone's suffering a requirement. :?

The Dictionary wrote:
grate·ful
ˈɡrātfəl/Submit
adjective
feeling or showing an appreciation of kindness; thankful.
"I'm very grateful to you for all your help"
synonyms: thankful, appreciative; More
archaic
received or experienced with gratitude; welcome.
"enjoying the grateful shade"

grat·i·tude
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noun: gratitude
the quality of being thankful; readiness to show appreciation for and to return kindness.
"she expressed her gratitude to the committee for their support"
synonyms: gratefulness, thankfulness, thanks, appreciation, indebtedness; More


Goldfish, there is also something called context as well. Ok, I'll give it to you that gratitude and appreciation are synonymous. So, I will change my argument a bit and claim that there is a particular form of gratitude and appreciation is something I'm against.

First, let's show what I am in agree with. Let's say I need help to move things around my home. You come and help me to do so. I have a sense of appreciation for what you did for me. I thank you. A month later, I take you out to eat to show my appreciation. To me, this is gratitude I'm with.

Now, you're telling ASS-P that there are others worse off then them and he is ungrateful. What does this imply? This implies that for ASS-P to be grateful others have to be suffering. Others must suffer for ASS-P to feel gratitude. It's the equivalent of what my grandma did with my dad when he was a child. Her attitude was that my dad should finish his plate because others were starving in Ethiopia and he should be grateful that he has a meal. But, by that logic my dad's gratitude depends upon others starving in Ethiopia.

This story is an allegory as to what I'm talking about. https://www.utilitarianism.com/nu/omelas.pdf To sum up, for them to keep their paradise and utopia one person had to be kept in a broom closet all his life. Their culture was a sense of gratitude that everyone else had it better then this boy.

He should not feel gratitude that others are worse off then him. He should feel gratitude towards others for what he does have and the help he did receive because others are "choosing" to go out of their way for him out of the kindness of their own hearts.


It seems you must be confused based on examples others have used to explain why someone ought to feel grateful.

Those examples don't define what gratitude is. No one needs to suffer for me to feel grateful for this nice home I'm posting from. But if I was expected to be grateful for it, and wasn't, someone might point out that I ought to because I through the lottery of birth I could have been born in a location where nice homes aren't the norm & could be living my life trying to find shelter out of the rain and snow. People use examples to show a relative comparison, not to help define the word gratitude - that you should feel grateful LITERALLY because someone else is suffering. Their point is that you should be grateful because you have it pretty good, and could otherwise be suffering, so why not be grateful for what you have?


Ok, I understand what you're saying my friend. When you put it into terms as you put them I guess it makes sense. Here is my question. Why couldn't others have explained it as excellent as you did?


Maybe no one has ever realized that's the connection your brain made between their words and examples and the definition of gratitude before you wrote it out there for me to read?


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