"I resign my roles at Autism Speaks" John Robison
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aghogday wrote:
Well..It's a well thought out.. intelligent opinion..
Your personal attack against her here..does not change that fact at all..
When people address the topic at hand..that is intelligent conversation...
When people attack the person who discusses the topic in a personal way..
That is not intelligent conversation..
At least per the rules of logical discourse...
Personal attacks are at the bottom of critical analysis...
The facts that exist about the organization do back up the claim here made by Little Bee..
The personal attacks against the organization and against people here who simply seek the truth of the situation..are basically just idle chatter....
But i for one am not afraid of the truth..regardless of what the 'herd' thinks....
If personal attacks are so awful, why do you:
* Insist that people who disagree with you have mild or no problems
* Insist that people who disagree with you were not intended to be covered by the DSM-5 revision
* Insist that people who disagree with you are just wasting their time arguing on the internet and have no intention of accomplishing anything
* Whenever anyone responds critically to your comments, you drop multiple walls of text on them until they go away?
* While you deny that others have real difficulties and characterize them as probably not even autistic, state that said people lack the empathy necessary to prioritize your problems above their own?
The majority of your posting is to berate anyone who criticizes Autism Speaks, complain about anyone who criticizes Autism Speaks, and suggest that anyone who criticizes Autism Speaks doesn't have any real problems, not like you do.
And then you come around and make these comments about other people getting personal. Dude, you've been personal. That's why I've been so frustrated with you lately. Inconsistency and hypocrisy.
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wozeree wrote:
You know you said the people in the thread had no insight and then went on to say something along the lines of it was all just nonsensical babbling.
Sad.
I'm scaring ya, huh? What an actress!
Sad.
I'm scaring ya, huh? What an actress!
littlebee tried this one on me once. Said the way I communicate was "scary." That was approximately the time that she accused grahamguitarman and myself of being in "cahoots."
wozeree wrote:
You know you said the people in the thread had no insight and then went on to say something along the lines of it was all just nonsensical babbling.
Sad.
Sorry. I guard my language on here as I am trying to respect the system guidelines (however I may personally feel about some of them). Everyone who is reading my messages knows this. And it is obvious that there was some well thought out material on that thread.
I'm scaring ya, huh? What an actress
No, you are really scaring me. I am finding the venom out and out terrifying. I have rarely in my life encountered anything like this. It is not the ideas (not that there are much of any), but the hate behind your messages and the fact that you are now literally and deliberately making things up is really terrifying. It is an interesting experience, though, as I get to observe my own responses in a unique kind of situation. Amazing to not feel any kind of hate or anger or blame and to just simply stay with my own feelings and feel them. !
Sad.
Sorry. I guard my language on here as I am trying to respect the system guidelines (however I may personally feel about some of them). Everyone who is reading my messages knows this. And it is obvious that there was some well thought out material on that thread.
I'm scaring ya, huh? What an actress
No, you are really scaring me. I am finding the venom out and out terrifying. I have rarely in my life encountered anything like this. It is not the ideas (not that there are much of any), but the hate behind your messages and the fact that you are now literally and deliberately making things up is really terrifying. It is an interesting experience, though, as I get to observe my own responses in a unique kind of situation. Amazing to not feel any kind of hate or anger or blame and to just simply stay with my own feelings and feel them. !
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littlebee wrote:
The reason I have come back to this thread just now, though I always intended to when things cooled down, is because of this message written on a thread I started with the best intentionsin order to look at the Judge Rotenberg Center, which I became interested in after reading about the shock treaments on this thread. And you can see that this thread is well designed and with the intent to impartially enquire into this subject matter. What Vernandi has written is so untrue that I felt this would be a good time to begin participating here again.
If what I write about you is so wrong, why is it that it is so easy for me to predict your actions? It couldn't possibly be that you are as transparent as I've been saying you are, is it?
I love how you say "impartially enquire[sic] into [the shock treatments] as if these haven't been discussed and debated ad nauseum. Like it's already established that the treatment JRC uses is inhumane and abusive, but you want to push everything back to square one where we can't really say whether or not it is inhumane and abusive until it's proven to your satisfaction. That is to say: Never.
Verdandi wrote:
littlebee wrote:
The reason I have come back to this thread just now, though I always intended to when things cooled down, is because of this message written on a thread I started with the best intentionsin order to look at the Judge Rotenberg Center, which I became interested in after reading about the shock treaments on this thread. And you can see that this thread is well designed and with the intent to impartially enquire into this subject matter. What Vernandi has written is so untrue that I felt this would be a good time to begin participating here again.
If what I write about you is so wrong, why is it that it is so easy for me to predict your actions? It couldn't possibly be that you are as transparent as I've been saying you are, is it?
I love how you say "impartially enquire[sic] into [the shock treatments] as if these haven't been discussed and debated ad nauseum. Like it's already established that the treatment JRC uses is inhumane and abusive, but you want to push everything back to square one where we can't really say whether or not it is inhumane and abusive until it's proven to your satisfaction. That is to say: Never.
Well I love this message, but no time to respond right now except will go on record as saying I do think the shock treatments are abusive. I do intend to go back to the dialogue about torture which is on this thread. I am coming fdrom a different angle in what I write which is more about comprehensive e brain function, and this kind of angle is a bit difficult for some people to understand. Maybe because I am not a such a good communicator and also because of some other factors.
Verdandi wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Well..It's a well thought out.. intelligent opinion..
Your personal attack against her here..does not change that fact at all..
When people address the topic at hand..that is intelligent conversation...
When people attack the person who discusses the topic in a personal way..
That is not intelligent conversation..
At least per the rules of logical discourse...
Personal attacks are at the bottom of critical analysis...
The facts that exist about the organization do back up the claim here made by Little Bee..
The personal attacks against the organization and against people here who simply seek the truth of the situation..are basically just idle chatter....
But i for one am not afraid of the truth..regardless of what the 'herd' thinks....
If personal attacks are so awful, why do you:
* Insist that people who disagree with you have mild or no problems
* Insist that people who disagree with you were not intended to be covered by the DSM-5 revision
* Insist that people who disagree with you are just wasting their time arguing on the internet and have no intention of accomplishing anything
* Whenever anyone responds critically to your comments, you drop multiple walls of text on them until they go away?
* While you deny that others have real difficulties and characterize them as probably not even autistic, state that said people lack the empathy necessary to prioritize your problems above their own?
The majority of your posting is to berate anyone who criticizes Autism Speaks, complain about anyone who criticizes Autism Speaks, and suggest that anyone who criticizes Autism Speaks doesn't have any real problems, not like you do.
And then you come around and make these comments about other people getting personal. Dude, you've been personal. That's why I've been so frustrated with you lately. Inconsistency and hypocrisy.
#1 i have never insisted that people who disagree with me are mild or have no problems..you are the one that is documented as suggesting i don't have autism or experience it mildly which is certainly true now per mildly..since i cured the more difficult symptoms..through unique methods of remediation but never the less i am still diagnosed and it is on medical record...
You cannot quote it where I said what you are accusing me of here..as it doesn't exist..but if you think you can..go for it..cause it don't exist.s.
#2 I have never suggested that people who disagree with me are not intended to be covered by the DSM5..again you are simply speaking a mistruth here..quote if it exists..but if not please just quit attempting to slander my character here..it ain't gonna work friend..as you have failed to do this..in over a score of times..so far..in just the last month...
#3 I have never suggested that people who disagree with me are wasting time on the internet..i have offered opinions that certain activities..such as boycotting Autism Speaks are non-productive and a waste of time..in my opinion..but i make it clear that if people want to do it..to go ahead and boycott them if they like...So again you are simply speaking a mistruth here again...
#4 I write a lot that is part of my reciprocal communication issue in concisely describing my points.. we have discussed this in the past..i think differently than most people..and that is my Autism..
So all i have to say about this..is so what..this is a site for people who communicate differently and i am taking full advantage of expressing my inherent autistic nature on this site...
#5 I have never made the issue of difficulty with cognitive empathy a personally directed one at any one person on this website..
It is an evidenced problem for the so called higher functioning aspect of the autism spectrum...and obviously a difficulty in reciprocal social communication..that causes problems analyzing interpersonal relationships..
That's just a fact nothing less or more..
#6 I address the Autism Speaks issue as logical issue of facts and statistics..along with the cognitive empathy required that i have developed over decades of intense adaptation..to understand why marketing works the way it does..
I have never berated any individual personally for criticizing autism speaks..There is simply no record of it..
So what i Frankly have to say to you friend now is put up or shut up..if you cannot quote where these accusations you present actually exist in your attempts to discredit and slander my credibility here..just shut up..you are starting to try my patience..seriously here...
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wozeree wrote:
Well it's like I told them before, there comes a point where we're just feeding you. You're probably enjoying this.
'No, to realize that someone hates me enough to lie like you have was and is terrifying, though it was far more terrifying when I responded earlier..Everyone knows you were lying, as If I wrote something outrageous it is obvious you would have jumped on it and directly quoted me, but this is almost beside the point, as realizing someone hates me that much makes me wonder what is going on in such a person's head. How deep is their suffering and what might they say or do when their own thinking is so distorted?.But I do not feel anger toward you at all.and no, I am not enjoying writing this, but actually forcing myself to do so, though generally I do enjoy participating on WP. It is very interesting and sometimes even fun, but more often a kind of work which could be referred to as joyful effort...
There is nothing wrong with the message I wrote here today. It was a good message. I do think that when participating on these internet bulletin boards the emotional affect can be quite amplified due to the electromagnetic format and because of less visual signals, so if a person feels good or bad that feeling is exaggerated. That is a potential asset or detriment of this kind of system.
You obviously feel threatened by my writing on WP. What could I do that might make you feel better?..Do you want me to stop speaking what is true to me and to only do things exactly as you like so you would not feel thwarted? I think that would be an unrealistic expectation.
wozeree wrote:
I didn't even read your whole message. But nobody would believe you edited that post twice at that exact time to fix typos. Live with it littlebee, everybody knows.
No.. everybody does not know wozeree..i read it before she edited it and it was perfectly clear and logically presented...
You are at least.. not fooling me..one bit....
Little Bee is a little older and wiser than most people on this internet...site...
While you do not have to live with..it..
Her words speak volumes..
And the evidence is clear for those who have experience and wisdom too...
Most of what she speaks..rings true...
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