More about my situation.
Sort of like an "assisted living" sort of place, except less drastic.
That sounds better. I was thinking of him being just in a regular type apartment complex.
he needs his veggies to be pureed, with his dental issues. or cooked to death which would defeat their nutritional purpose. a stash of low-salt v-8 juice as a dietary staple would be just what the good doctor ordered.
I drink V-8 healthy greens everyday which is pretty much doctor recommended for me. I have a hard time downing the tomato juice version. V-8 is a really good source of potassium which I need.
Furthermore, I AM persomally and economically/socially handicapped...and have been scafred by my past encounters with the College-Industrial Complex, as well - which, in fact, tended toward " truing to do it all myself " - and flopped
you say:twisted: 22"]Hey if you can go to school, great, but understand that you stand or fall on your own. You, you, all you. Its just nutty to expect social workers to do everything to get you in, and if you try again at least you will have learned that much.
There seems to be a lot of history here that I am unaware of. That said, you're wrong about no 18 year old or older doing it on their own. I got kicked out of my house when I was 17. I was homeless for years. I had no ID, no possessions . I scratched and clawed my way off the streets and through college on my own with no help. It was not easy. I won't describe how I got by but I had many rough years. But I did it. Don't let anybody tell you what you can or can't do. Pursue your dreams and F the doubters. If you fail at least you tried, and will have learned something in the process.
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YES!
Best attitude. This is pretty much exactly my approach & philosophy on my next academic education. I'm going to TRY and see if I can do it. If in the end, I don't succed.. I'll have at least successfully learned that that was not the path for me vs. always wonder if I could have done it.
This time around, though, I'm in a much better position in life all around and thus have a higher chance of success. I don't have massive obstacles to overcome. Some, yes, but not "homeless at 17" obstacles to overcome. Anyways, bit by bit I'm preparing myself for a return to part time studies next year & then we'll see how things work out in the future.
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Furthermore, I AM persomally and economically/socially handicapped...and have been scafred by my past encounters with the College-Industrial Complex, as well - which, in fact, tended toward " truing to do it all myself " - and flopped
you say:twisted: 22"]Hey if you can go to school, great, but understand that you stand or fall on your own. You, you, all you. Its just nutty to expect social workers to do everything to get you in, and if you try again at least you will have learned that much.
There seems to be a lot of history here that I am unaware of. That said, you're wrong about no 18 year old or older doing it on their own. I got kicked out of my house when I was 17. I was homeless for years. I had no ID, no possessions . I scratched and clawed my way off the streets and through college on my own with no help. It was not easy. I won't describe how I got by but I had many rough years. But I did it. Don't let anybody tell you what you can or can't do. Pursue your dreams and F the doubters. If you fail at least you tried, and will have learned something in the process.
Well, let me ask you this. You too Goldfish! What is the ratio of those who were able to pull themselves up like you were vs. those who could not for whatever reason? If you are saying that just because you did it then others can do so to that's called a faulty generalization. Do you have statistical evidence that the vast majority who was homeless were able to pull themselves out of it?
Let's look at this article from the Bureau of Labor Statistics from the federal government.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/disabl.nr0.htm
Here are some important quotes.
1. "In 2016, 17.9 percent of persons with a disability were employed, the U.S. Bureau of
Labor Statistics reported today. In contrast, the employment-population ratio for those
without a disability was 65.3 percent."
2. The lower ratio among persons with a disability reflects, in part,
the older age profile of persons with a disability; older workers are less likely to be
employed regardless of disability status. However, across all age groups, persons with a
disability were much less likely to be employed than those with no disability. (See tables
A and 1.)
If this article with these stats are true and I'm interpreting it right then a good chunk of those with any disability is less likely to be employed. Which means, you and goldfish are more then likely anomalies.
BS! If the dream is unrealistic then why wouldn't someone go for something that is more realistic?
Let's look at basketball and getting into the NBA.
http://www.nba-allstar.com/players/list ... height.htm
I'm 5'7-5'8 and I'm a klutz with motor coordination problems and I zone out. What are the chances that I would make it in the NBA? On height alone the average is about 6 to 7 feet tall for basketball players. It is very rare someone my height or shorter makes it. Why would I even bother to waste my time trying out for something I'm more likely to lose? Wouldn't it make more sense to do something that I have a reasonable chance of success at?
This whole you can do anything you set your mind to and this whole never let anyone tell you that you can't do something is stupid and foolish. We don't need more faith in ourselves and our abilities. We don't need more confidence in ourselves. What we as a population needs is critical thinking skills to realistically assess ourselves and our abilities and disabilities in relation to the market.
I'm sorry to say this but those of us with any disability has less value to the market then those who do not have disabilities. Think about it. A disabled person will more then likely need more accommodations so they become more of a liability. If an employer has 30 candidates to choose from and 29 don't need extra detailed instructions and 1 does more then likely that one who needs the extra details more then likely (unless other factors come into play) will wash out. I am an Aspergers person with sleep apnea, executive dysfunction, and possibly CAPD. My chances of being able to make a living for myself and succeed in society is lower then those who don't have my issues even if I am intelligent and analytical. Employers can get others who are just as intelligent and more analytical then yours truly and even more so. I have little confidence that I can make it in today's world and I have little confidence others can make it as well. My little confidence that I do have allows room for margin of error. To have more confidence in oneself without the justification to back it is a false sense of confidence and is delusional.
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^^^^^QFT- THANK YOU for saying what needed to be said.
too many highly abled people just don't get that not everybody can do what they do, we are all differently abled. what is it called when a person thinks another can emulate his or her success? ethnocentrism, mebbe? you'd think some people, ironically, lacked some TOM.
...Actually, in my case, people are more or less instructing me, pretty much anyway, that I should forget about trying.to go to college/uni, that I should forget about going out from the rehab place, that I should not even have this little phone, and I really should let those few old pictures/etc. I brought up be destroyed and glory in their destruction as I (as I'll get to) lie around with the TV on and wait to die. Isn't that the grown-up, responsible, thing to do? As for you, well - you were young, and presumably had energy & good health.
I'm supposed to accept not going out anymore and not having things
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Furthermore, I AM persomally and economically/socially handicapped...and have been scafred by my past encounters with the College-Industrial Complex, as well - which, in fact, tended toward " truing to do it all myself " - and flopped
you say:twisted: 22"]Hey if you can go to school, great, but understand that you stand or fall on your own. You, you, all you. Its just nutty to expect social workers to do everything to get you in, and if you try again at least you will have learned that much.
There seems to be a lot of history here that I am unaware of. That said, you're wrong about no 18 year old or older doing it on their own. I got kicked out of my house when I was 17. I was homeless for years. I had no ID, no possessions . I scratched and clawed my way off the streets and through college on my own with no help. It was not easy. I won't describe how I got by but I had many rough years. But I did it. Don't let anybody tell you what you can or can't do. Pursue your dreams and F the doubters. If you fail at least you tried, and will have learned something in the process.[/quote]
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Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
I'm supposed to accept not going out anymore and not having things
I think it's important to focus on realistic goals, prioritize needs over wants, and yes, adopt more of a 'grown-up' attitude in terms of accepting that there is no magical fairy godmother who is going to make all your wishes come true. Which I think you know, but you keep clinging to this unrealistic belief that someone on WP is going to provide in-person help, with college applications, transportation, storage, etc.
I could play that game as well. For example, I would have loved to have had a chance at a career as a classical musician. I have the talent - I deserve it! I was cruelly robbed of that experience, and someone on WP needs to make it happen for me. I'm not asking for money, just help! Come on, people!
But the reality is that Internet forums don't work like that. People might help to offer advice, as to how I might proceed in my career goals. But the reality is, I've got physical and mental health issues that make it impossible at this point, and... Well, there you are. I can't expect someone on WP to change that reality for me.
What I have learned, though, is the importance of focusing on what you can do, rather than what you can't. You seem to be consistently able to maintain a cell phone and internet access, and that's a realistic goal. By your own admission, you are consistently unable to fill out college applications, get places on your own, make use of local resources, or manage any kind of online tutorial program, so yes, at this point I do think college is an unrealistic goal.
If you prove me wrong in this, you will have my sincere apology, respect, and admiration. But I do feel that if you're asking for in-person help, you need to seek out local resources, rather than expecting WP members to drive hundreds or thousands of miles to provide hand-on assistance.
We do care about you, and are here to offer our encouragement and advice (not always even great advice) - in helping you toward a better situation. But the reality is, if you're not willing to make a phone call, or get on a bus, to seek out help from local organizations that exist for that very purpose, it's unfair to blame WP members for failing to help.
I apologize if any of this came across as unnecessarily harsh. But we've been going round and round on this topic for years now, with zero progress, and personally I would like to see the discussion turn toward helping you set realistic goals, and cheering you on as you take steps to follow through with them.
...As far as the seed situation this has tended to be about, the question of the p/m and other stuff from my late brother and where the material could be sent - a possibility exists that someone here in SC would agree to be the recipient of it, but that's very definitely " if " - and, if that person here turns out not to be willing - Is there, then, someone who could, immediately, receive the items for me? Until I could get the items later. Would that be possible - Please?
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Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
. ..I DO take buses. I DO make phone calls. You are WRONG
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Person/s here sometimes think I should not have Internet access. Shouldn't I do what they say
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I'm supposed to accept not going out anymore and not having things
I think it's important to focus on realistic goals, prioritize needs over wants, and yes, adopt more of a 'grown-up' attitude in terms of accepting that there is no magical fairy godmother who is going to make all your wishes come true. Which I think you know, but you keep clinging to this unrealistic belief that someone on WP is going to provide in-person help, with college applications, transportation, storage, etc.
I could play that game as well. For example, I would have loved to have had a chance at a career as a classical musician. I have the talent - I deserve it! I was cruelly robbed of that experience, and someone on WP needs to make it happen for me. I'm not asking for money, just help! Come on, people!
But the reality is that Internet forums don't work like that. People might help to offer advice, as to how I might proceed in my career goals. But the reality is, I've got physical and mental health issues that make it impossible at this point, and... Well, there you are. I can't expect someone on WP to change that reality for me.
What I have learned, though, is the importance of focusing on what you can do, rather than what you can't. You seem to be consistently able to maintain a cell phone and internet access, and that's a realistic goal. By your own admission, you are consistently unable to fill out college applications, get places on your own, make use of local resources, or manage any kind of online tutorial program, so yes, at this point I do think college is an unrealistic goal.
If you prove me wrong in this, you will have my sincere apology, respect, and admiration. But I do feel that if you're asking for in-person help, you need to seek out local resources, rather than expecting WP members to drive hundreds or thousands of miles to provide hand-on assistance.
We do care about you, and are here to offer our encouragement and advice (not always even great advice) - in helping you toward a better situation. But the reality is, if you're not willing to make a phone call, or get on a bus, to seek out help from local organizations that exist for that very purpose, it's unfair to blame WP members for failing to help.
I apologize if any of this came across as unnecessarily harsh. But we've been going round and round on this topic for years now, with zero progress, and personally I would like to see the discussion turn toward helping you set realistic goals, and cheering you on as you take steps to follow through with them.[/quote]
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Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
Great! That means that you are able to contact local organizations for help. And if you choose not to do so - that's your decision, and we need to respect it. But you also need to stop blaming us for your life choices.
I'm supposed to accept not going out anymore and not having things
Well when you come to an open forum with the kind of things you do, you are going to have to deal with people telling you things that you don't agree with. But it's just their opinion after all. You've been soliciting WP members for years, so I figure you should have a pretty good idea how it's going to go by now. And maybe tone down the getting pissed off at them so much. No one here is like a social worker or professional counselor after all.
Person/s here sometimes think I should not have Internet access. Shouldn't I do what they say
Welp, if you're that dissatisfied with what people have to say to you here, you can always find some other forum you know.
Although to be honest I think most would ban you for soliciting members all the time.
...Retutning to Ash, though I have rather moved the cc/uni concept to the back burner, I have NEVER really RECEIVED any help in applying!
Person/s here say " Rah, rah, rah! I did it ALKmyself." about their applications - when, in fact, they had counselors they could - and DID - speak to, and a whole office full of forms they could check
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Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
