Fictional Characters With Undiagnosed Aspergers or Autism

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17 Dec 2010, 3:44 pm

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If you're diagnosing him with Asperger's, then you're completely missing the point of the character.


Y'know when you respond to a series of arguments with only one sentence, that shows you are not capable of refuting the argument. Both myself and others have explained to why he's Aspy and you are just ignoring the evidence, instead relying on nebulous statements like the one above. If you truly want to debate this, then refute each and every point made by everyone else (or at least MOST of them).


Q_Q All I'm saying is that you're missing the point of the character.


Please specify. I can't really see your own point if you are not supplying arguments in its favour.


Ignatius isn't supposed to be autistic, or depressed, or whatever. He's supposed to be a jerkass loser who still lives with his mother, is too lazy to do anything with his life, blames everything and everyone but himself for his shortcomings, and is a massive hypocrite. His shortcomings aren't specifically AS; he's just a deluded a**hole with unwarranted self-importance.

Oh, and he's supposed to be a comedic character. If you're diagnosing a character that's supposed to be funny with mental disorders, then you lack a sense of humor.


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17 Dec 2010, 5:42 pm

Delirium wrote:
Severus wrote:
Delirium wrote:
SadAspy wrote:
Delirium wrote:
If you're diagnosing him with Asperger's, then you're completely missing the point of the character.


Y'know when you respond to a series of arguments with only one sentence, that shows you are not capable of refuting the argument. Both myself and others have explained to why he's Aspy and you are just ignoring the evidence, instead relying on nebulous statements like the one above. If you truly want to debate this, then refute each and every point made by everyone else (or at least MOST of them).


Q_Q All I'm saying is that you're missing the point of the character.


Please specify. I can't really see your own point if you are not supplying arguments in its favour.


Ignatius isn't supposed to be autistic, or depressed, or whatever. He's supposed to be a jerkass loser who still lives with his mother, is too lazy to do anything with his life, blames everything and everyone but himself for his shortcomings, and is a massive hypocrite. His shortcomings aren't specifically AS; he's just a deluded a**hole with unwarranted self-importance.

Oh, and he's supposed to be a comedic character. If you're diagnosing a character that's supposed to be funny with mental disorders, then you lack a sense of humor.


Asperger's is a mental disorder?

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17 Dec 2010, 5:59 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Asperger's is a mental disorder?


Medically speaking, it is.


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17 Dec 2010, 6:55 pm

Delirium wrote:
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Asperger's is a mental disorder?


Medically speaking, it is.


I'm on a high dose of Vikaden right now, having had my wisdom teeth pulled, so I'm not 100% for verbal sparring. I don't believe Asperger's qualifies as a mental condition the same way as depression or schizophrenia do.
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17 Dec 2010, 9:13 pm

Delirium wrote:
Severus wrote:
Delirium wrote:
SadAspy wrote:
Delirium wrote:
If you're diagnosing him with Asperger's, then you're completely missing the point of the character.


Y'know when you respond to a series of arguments with only one sentence, that shows you are not capable of refuting the argument. Both myself and others have explained to why he's Aspy and you are just ignoring the evidence, instead relying on nebulous statements like the one above. If you truly want to debate this, then refute each and every point made by everyone else (or at least MOST of them).


Q_Q All I'm saying is that you're missing the point of the character.


Please specify. I can't really see your own point if you are not supplying arguments in its favour.


Ignatius isn't supposed to be autistic, or depressed, or whatever. He's supposed to be a jerkass loser who still lives with his mother, is too lazy to do anything with his life, blames everything and everyone but himself for his shortcomings, and is a massive hypocrite. His shortcomings aren't specifically AS; he's just a deluded a**hole with unwarranted self-importanc.


Well like Ignatius, I'm unemployed and living at home despite having a postgraduate degree in the liberal arts and I often don't feel like I fit in with NTs. I guess I'm just a deluded loser/a**hole and don't really have Aspergers...nevermind the doctor who diagnosed with me it. I'm sure YOU have more expertise than some quack with one o those phony degrees.

Come to think of it, maybe nobody really has Aspergers. We're all just deluded losers/a**holes. Let's just shut this forum down.



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17 Dec 2010, 9:22 pm

SadAspy wrote:
Delirium wrote:
Severus wrote:
Delirium wrote:
SadAspy wrote:
Delirium wrote:
If you're diagnosing him with Asperger's, then you're completely missing the point of the character.


Y'know when you respond to a series of arguments with only one sentence, that shows you are not capable of refuting the argument. Both myself and others have explained to why he's Aspy and you are just ignoring the evidence, instead relying on nebulous statements like the one above. If you truly want to debate this, then refute each and every point made by everyone else (or at least MOST of them).


Q_Q All I'm saying is that you're missing the point of the character.


Please specify. I can't really see your own point if you are not supplying arguments in its favour.


Ignatius isn't supposed to be autistic, or depressed, or whatever. He's supposed to be a jerkass loser who still lives with his mother, is too lazy to do anything with his life, blames everything and everyone but himself for his shortcomings, and is a massive hypocrite. His shortcomings aren't specifically AS; he's just a deluded a**hole with unwarranted self-importanc.


Well like Ignatius, I'm unemployed and living at home despite having a postgraduate degree in the liberal arts and I often don't feel like I fit in with NTs. I guess I'm just a deluded loser/a**hole and don't really have Aspergers...nevermind the doctor who diagnosed with me it. I'm sure YOU have more expertise than some quack with one o those phony degrees.

Come to think of it, maybe nobody really has Aspergers. We're all just deluded losers/a**holes. Let's just shut this forum down.


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17 Dec 2010, 10:03 pm

Edward Scissorhands?

and, this is a character from a song, but the Toy Boy

he's a neglected toy, who finds it hard to socialise and nobody really understands him. Its by my role-model Mika


Toy Boy Lyrics

I’m a wind-up toy in an up down world
If you leave me all alone, I’ll make a mess for sure
I’ve a heart of gold in the smallest size
Leave me in the dark, you’ll never hear me cry

More than an illustration
Points of articulation
Come to life on a brass spring
Such a wonderful plaything

It’s a cruel cross that I have to bear
If you come a little closer I’m going to pull your hair
More than just a toy in a patched blue suit
Hold me in your arms I’m just a boy like you

But your mama thought there was somethin’ wrong
Didn’t want you sleeping with a boy too long
It’s a serious thing in a grown-up world
Maybe you’d be better with a Barbie girl

You knew that I adored-ya
But you left me in Georgia
Toys are not sentimental
How could I be for rental?

She’s the meanest hag that has ever been
Pulled out my insides with an old safety pin
I’m the sorest sight, now I feel like trash
Clothes are made of rags and they don’t even match

So she dressed me up as the man she loved
Threw me in a box when she had had enough
Now the light of day I no longer see
She stuck her voodoo pins where my eyes used to be

Accidentally tragic
Victim of her black magic
Had a boy once who loved me
Now he's so afraid of me

On a long lost day when you're gray and dull
You'll be there remembering your old toy boy
When your oldest son wonderin' what to be
Tell him the story of a boy like me



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17 Dec 2010, 10:18 pm

SadAspy wrote:
Well like Ignatius, I'm unemployed and living at home despite having a postgraduate degree in the liberal arts and I often don't feel like I fit in with NTs. I guess I'm just a deluded loser/a**hole and don't really have Aspergers...nevermind the doctor who diagnosed with me it. I'm sure YOU have more expertise than some quack with one o those phony degrees.

Come to think of it, maybe nobody really has Aspergers. We're all just deluded losers/a**holes. Let's just shut this forum down.


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Second of all, did you read the rest of my post? Ignatius J. Reilly is a f*****g COMEDIC CHARACTER. He is meant to make people laugh. If you diagnose a comedic character with Asperger's/bipolar/etc., you have no sense of humor and/or are taking it way too seriously.


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17 Dec 2010, 11:10 pm

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Ignatius J. Reilly is a f***ing COMEDIC CHARACTER. He is meant to make people laugh. If you diagnose a comedic character with Asperger's/bipolar/etc., you have no sense of humor and/or are taking it way too seriously.


There are several characters mentioned in this thread that were meant to be comedic (for example, characters on The Big Bang Theory,Community, and The Office).....that doesn't mean they aren't Aspy. If you want to say it's stupid to speculate on ANY fictional characters being AS, that's fine, but it seems to me you want to single out this one character.



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17 Dec 2010, 11:21 pm

SadAspy wrote:
Delirium wrote:
Ignatius J. Reilly is a f***ing COMEDIC CHARACTER. He is meant to make people laugh. If you diagnose a comedic character with Asperger's/bipolar/etc., you have no sense of humor and/or are taking it way too seriously.


There are several characters mentioned in this thread that were meant to be comedic (for example, characters on The Big Bang Theory,Community, and The Office).....that doesn't mean they aren't Aspy. If you want to say it's stupid to speculate on ANY fictional characters being AS, that's fine, but it seems to me you want to single out this one character.


I check this thread sporadically.


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18 Dec 2010, 6:50 am

Correct me if I am wrong , but I thought it was the Fictitional Characters thread. Every character we talk about was created by its author/s to make the audience laugh or cry - or get bored stiff. So I really can't take that as a valid argument, Delirium.
Could you please point me a single trait of Ignatius that can be interpreted as not belonging to the list of ASD traits? Because I think that is what we are talking about. I am re-reading the book at the moment so I won't really need a long explanation, just a quick mention would do nicely.



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19 Dec 2010, 11:01 am

I was watching a Charlie Brown Christmas cartoon last night and I wondered if Shroeder might have undiagnosed AS because of his fixation with Beethoven and his rejection of Lucy's advances out of loyalty and respect to his idol. Then I considered the notion of Linus having an ASD because of his relationship with his blue blanket. If any of the Peanuts characters have an ASD, it would be Shroeder and Linus.



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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I was watching a Charlie Brown Christmas cartoon last night and I wondered if Shroeder might have undiagnosed AS because of his fixation with Beethoven and his rejection of Lucy's advances out of loyalty and respect to his idol. Then I considered the notion of Linus having an ASD because of his relationship with his blue blanket. If any of the Peanuts characters have an ASD, it would be Shroeder and Linus.


I believe I've read Charles Schultz himself had Asperger's.

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19 Dec 2010, 12:59 pm

When I was a kid my mom would buy me Peanuts books everytime we visited a local used book store. I devoured them. I absolutely loved reading them.



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19 Dec 2010, 8:54 pm

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20 Dec 2010, 1:17 am

SadAspy wrote:
Delirium wrote:
Severus wrote:
Delirium wrote:
SadAspy wrote:
Delirium wrote:
If you're diagnosing him with Asperger's, then you're completely missing the point of the character.


Y'know when you respond to a series of arguments with only one sentence, that shows you are not capable of refuting the argument. Both myself and others have explained to why he's Aspy and you are just ignoring the evidence, instead relying on nebulous statements like the one above. If you truly want to debate this, then refute each and every point made by everyone else (or at least MOST of them).


Q_Q All I'm saying is that you're missing the point of the character.


Please specify. I can't really see your own point if you are not supplying arguments in its favour.


Ignatius isn't supposed to be autistic, or depressed, or whatever. He's supposed to be a jerkass loser who still lives with his mother, is too lazy to do anything with his life, blames everything and everyone but himself for his shortcomings, and is a massive hypocrite. His shortcomings aren't specifically AS; he's just a deluded a**hole with unwarranted self-importanc.


Well like Ignatius, I'm unemployed and living at home despite having a postgraduate degree in the liberal arts and I often don't feel like I fit in with NTs. I guess I'm just a deluded loser/a**hole and don't really have Aspergers...nevermind the doctor who diagnosed with me it. I'm sure YOU have more expertise than some quack with one o those phony degrees.

Come to think of it, maybe nobody really has Aspergers. We're all just deluded losers/a**holes. Let's just shut this forum down.


Same here, SadAspy! ;)

I am one of those that do think Aspergers exists. If autism exists, why not HFA disorders like Aspergers?

And in reference to the original topic, Sherlock Holmes is possibly the most Aspie fictional character in history. No social skills or inclination at all, an obsessive interest in murders, no hint of a female in his life ever, eccentric, reclusive. He fits the bill.