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29 Jun 2009, 1:51 pm

Greentea wrote:
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Today's rioters' leaders, if successful enough at manipulation, are always tomorrow's powers that be. See Animal Farm by George Orwell. What you're seeing is not honesty. It's the hungry masses led by the counter-powers. Often a foreign empire at work behind the scene, I won't say who. :wink:

And of course, the phoniness is first and foremost promoted and enforced by the powers that be, to have an orderly herd. This is what I explained in my first post to Hartz when I talked about the counselor's need to hide reality (work overload) from her bosses.


Another good example, is that episode of the Twilight Zone, called, "The Monsters Are Due On Elm Street." The powers that be, carefully manipulate human emotions to their own ends. Even riots are often incited by evil puppeteers in the background!


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29 Jun 2009, 2:46 pm

Greentea wrote:
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Today's rioters' leaders, if successful enough at manipulation, are always tomorrow's powers that be. See Animal Farm by George Orwell. What you're seeing is not honesty. It's the hungry masses led by the counter-powers. Often a foreign empire at work behind the scene, I won't say who. :wink:

I don't agree that what you say is 100% true. I've read Orewll but not everything is so black and white. Anger and discontent are often genuine even if the leaders and organizers are opportunists. Actually the spreading of cynicism through claims that the resisting masses are being manipulated by foreign entities is itself a form of manipulation, it's used as an attempt to invalidate popular movements.



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29 Jun 2009, 3:19 pm

Not to mention that nothing is as socially pressuring and conformist and as far from individual free thought and honesty as a counter-mass.


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