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23 Jul 2009, 11:36 am

Ok, everyone has different experiences, let's just say I long for silence and people disturb that silence.



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23 Jul 2009, 1:53 pm

Rainbow-Squirrel wrote:
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In other words, "Aspies also talk too much."


Uh, really ?


Lol, the one kid my AS son couldn't deal with at his summer camp a few weeks ago was the autistic one. The boy would always walk up to the other kids and start talking about his special interest without any regard to what conversation they were already engaged in, and without regard to if any of the kids were interested in the topic. Drove my son NUTS.

But, as I pointed out to him, he does the same thing to other people all the time. just maybe not as often or intensely; he does have SOME social ability. He doesn't really see it that way, though. I told him to be nice to the boy and take it as a learning experience.

My son wants quiet when HE wants quiet, and he wants to talk when HE wants to talk and about what HE wants to talk about and would much prefer never to have to take into account the desires of others. But, ah, it doesn't work that way, does it? He gets that and, yet, he doesn't.


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23 Jul 2009, 1:55 pm

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Ok, everyone has different experiences, let's just say I long for silence and people disturb that silence.


Then spend as much time as possible in places where people don't have much opportunity to disturb the silence.


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23 Jul 2009, 2:03 pm

Thanks for the advice.

Anyway, do you want to say that, on average, ASD people talk just as much as NT's ? Sorry but it's hard to believe.



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23 Jul 2009, 2:07 pm

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This is a good thread. I didn't realise turning down someone's offer for lunch would hurt the other person so much. I used to always get invited to the beach, and because I have an aversion to water I never went.
My friends invite me to church to but I decline.

Do NT's ever tire from socialising? I'm seeing a band tomorrow night and one of the band members is playing tonight. I would not be able to do this.

The rules are different when it comes to church. It is perfectly acceptable to always decline an invitation to church. It is taken as not being interested in the religion and not considered a personal affront. A few exceptions would be weddings, funerals, or other similar life events which are seen as personal issues and not religious ones. If you dislike the religion so much that you won't support the life event (personal) then the person takes it personally. You have to weigh your position on the religion versus your concern for the individual. The further removed the person is from you, the less they'll take it personally.

I am an extroverted NT and I definitely tire from socializing. I have to have downtime to recoup. I am extremely empathetic so the needs of others weigh heavily on me. I bear almost all of that burden at home so home isn't a place I can easily recoup, so going out is very exhausting. I have to have it planned well enough in advance that I can prepare for it and have to plan enough down time after that to regain some strength. That wasn't the case before I was married to my husband. I've always been a scheduler, but I've become quite incapable of dealing with unexpected socialization because of the additional burden it places on me due to my personality. I WANT to go out and socialize and might even agree to it, but I'm not physically or emotionally capable of doing so if I haven't planned for it. Other NTs have no idea and couldn't possibly imagine the reality (they are unaware of my husband's AS) so I assume they think that I'm a flake at times. My husband, though, can drop everything and go socialize on a whim. He doesn't have any emotional burden like I do so it is no big deal for him to be out constantly. I don't think we fit the AS-NT or Introvert-Extrovert stereotype. It is interesting how we've adapted to his AS like that based on our personalities.



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23 Jul 2009, 2:43 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
Rainbow-Squirrel wrote:
Feyhera wrote:
In other words, "Aspies also talk too much."


Uh, really ?


Lol, the one kid my AS son couldn't deal with at his summer camp a few weeks ago was the autistic one. The boy would always walk up to the other kids and start talking about his special interest without any regard to what conversation they were already engaged in, and without regard to if any of the kids were interested in the topic. Drove my son NUTS.

But, as I pointed out to him, he does the same thing to other people all the time. just maybe not as often or intensely; he does have SOME social ability. He doesn't really see it that way, though. I told him to be nice to the boy and take it as a learning experience.

My son wants quiet when HE wants quiet, and he wants to talk when HE wants to talk and about what HE wants to talk about and would much prefer never to have to take into account the desires of others. But, ah, it doesn't work that way, does it? He gets that and, yet, he doesn't.


I can be like that a lot. I often realize I'm doing that and correct myself.

My solution is to respect others' need for alone time the same way I would want others to do for me. If I want alone time I say I want alone time. Equally if someone else wants to be left alone I will respect that.


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23 Jul 2009, 2:46 pm

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I have only one question for NT's.

Why can't they just shut their mouths, at least once in a while ?


And listen to what we have to say.


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23 Jul 2009, 2:48 pm

I've noticed that NTs of both genders talk like valley girls, these days. I find it annoying. Another thing that's annoying is the way that Wiggers talk. They talk like little gangsters.


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23 Jul 2009, 2:53 pm

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Do NT's ever tire from socialising?

Some NTs are recharged by socializing. These are typically called extroverts. Other NTs are recharged by activities done in solitude. These NTs are often called introverts. Its hard to generalize about NTs this way because not all NTs are alike.



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23 Jul 2009, 3:00 pm

pensieve wrote:
This is a good thread. I didn't realise turning down someone's offer for lunch would hurt the other person so much. I used to always get invited to the beach, and because I have an aversion to water I never went.
My friends invite me to church to but I decline.

My Questions:

I understand the need to hang around in packs but why do it in the most boring places, i.e a supermarket or telephone box?

I cannot understand the need for gossip, especially the kind that says hurtful things about another person. How can saying such cruel things be good?

Why do NT's seem unaffected by the 'r' word? You know the one I mean - the one when said in a derogatory way hurts us, but an NT doesn't even seem to flinch. My brother and sister use this word around me, sometimes to me but don't think it's a hurtful word.

Do NT's ever tire from socialising? I'm seeing a band tomorrow night and one of the band members is playing tonight. I would not be able to do this.


I know what you mean about the use of the r-word. There's an NT woman who goes to my clubhouse who says that word, a lot. I've asked her not to use it, and my reason for not liking that word. She got her back up and told me that the word is in the dictionary, so it can be used. I told the b***h that the word brings back painful memories from my school days. I had a deep conversation with one of the staff, about why I hate that word, and how many people confuse the r-word, with being autistic. There were a couple of tall teenage boys who were saying that word amongst themselves, every second word, at Seven Eleven just a couple of Sundays ago. Since when did summer become Jackass Season?


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23 Jul 2009, 3:03 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
Rainbow-Squirrel wrote:
I have only one question for NT's.

Why can't they just shut their mouths, at least once in a while ?


And listen to what we have to say.


I feel sorry for you, in that you have come across so many unsociable 'NTs' as you call us.
I a like to think I am one one of the better ones. My mother works for a college devoted to facilitating the needs of Aspies, and one of my closest friends is one.

It is important to note, however, that no matter what you are, you will come across a certain clique that you find annoying, and group them together as being like an unpleasant spot. It just keeps coming back, right?
Even I find to hard to indivisualize people of certain groups, although I try very hard to.

I think you will find it pleasing to hear that there are many like me, if you look hard enough.

I give my Aspie friend space if he needs, and rarely ask him out to places, as he finds large groups of people unpleasant, and there are far to many 'chavs' (like gangster-wannabes, white trash kind-of-thing), to justify the park. I just nip to his house at an arranged time, play guitar hero like he likes to do, and leave when he thinks it neccesary.

Please try not to not to think of us all as revolting :P



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23 Jul 2009, 3:06 pm

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I've noticed that NTs of both genders talk like valley girls, these days. I find it annoying. Another thing that's annoying is the way that Wiggers talk. They talk like little gangsters.

Ummm. What are Wiggers?



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23 Jul 2009, 3:12 pm

It is a derogatory term that should not be used here, honestly. It refers generally to Caucasians who adopt and project aspects of contemporary urban Black culture.


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23 Jul 2009, 3:14 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
There's an NT woman who goes to my clubhouse who says that word, a lot. I've asked her not to use it, and my reason for not liking that word. She got her back up and told me that the word is in the dictionary, so it can be used.

How astoundingly rude of her!

I would used a few words in the dictionary in my response to her, but I don't think she would have been happy with my choices!

This is not an NT trait. This is an uncivilized jerk trait. It wasn't even ignorance as she knew she was being hurtful and tried to justify it. What a bully.



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23 Jul 2009, 3:18 pm

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It is a derogatory term that should not be used here, honestly. It refers generally to Caucasians who adopt and project aspects of contemporary urban Black culture.


M.

I must really live an isolated life. I am unable to come up with a term that describes the inverse.



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23 Jul 2009, 3:26 pm

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makuranososhi wrote:
It is a derogatory term that should not be used here, honestly. It refers generally to Caucasians who adopt and project aspects of contemporary urban Black culture.


M.

I must really live an isolated life. I am unable to come up with a term that describes the inverse.

Black people who adopt and project aspects of contemporary urban white culture, particularly clothing, dress, and values, are derogatorily called "White" which has the underlying meaning of rejecting their race and family, being someone they aren't, and basically being a traitor. The more derogatory phrase is the name of a common cookie, the implication being they're "black on the outside but white in the middle" which is intended to be highly offensive.