NT-Bashing Foolishness: An Open Letter To The Abusers

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Warsie
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14 Oct 2009, 2:55 pm

ViperaAspis wrote:

2) If you are truly bothered by what you perceive as NTs being mean, the answer is not to be mean back. That puts you on the same level. I would further say that as a group that is so picked on, you should understand what this feels like. Picking on others as soon as you get the opportunity shows nothing but your own weakness.

Malcolm X would say it's your right to defend yourself from aggression and the devils that wich to keep you down.

This is OUR forum, and the NTs have their forums/sites to bash us (see EncyclopediaDramatica).

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14 Oct 2009, 3:06 pm

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I disagree. Most conflict between groups arises from competition for resources. What is behind the conflicts of war is groups competing for control of land, water, other natural resources such as oil and minerals, human labour and money through control of an economy. It's the rare war or large scale conflict that doesn't involve a conflict over who gets to control something on that list.

Yes, but this is closely related to status-seeking and hierarchy. People want to climb hierarchies, and they want as much resourses as they can get (which is simply status-seeking). Environmental issues or resource depletion will not stop people from continuing to their status-seeking, even if they somehow know this is not sustainable.

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There are conflicts between groups and individuals which is what will be most obvious to Aspies since that's such an overwhelming experience: being an individual in conflict with the group. So that conflict will feel most prominent: the group shuts out somebody who doesn't fit in- the conflict starts as soon as people are old enough to have a concept of group identity- sometime in elementary school. It may look like a lot of in-group/out group conflicts are just this on a somewhat larger scale, but if you look more closely you will see that they aren't really about how the minority X group doesn't mesh with the larger Y group but rather about how the X group is using resources that the Y group doesn't want to share. It's a conflict over resources.

These conflicts can happen for a variety of reasons (for instance, not knowing how to fit-into groups, not wanting to fit in). They are still the result of compulsive NT-behavior where groups adapt their own "cultural practices" (for instance cloth, sports-teams, music, movies), and shuts out those that do not agree on those norms.

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14 Oct 2009, 4:06 pm

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Janissy wrote:

I don't think resource seeking is driven by status seeking. I think it's the reverse. Status-seeking is driven by resource-seeking. Those with the highest staus get the most resources. Status is just a mechanism that puts you first in line to acquire resources. Those with the highest status have the best food, the safest, cleanest and largest places to live, the most desirable mates and so on. People don't consume resources (such as oil) for status-seeking reasons. They consume resources because resources "taste good" and make life easier. The ability to drive wherever you want, whenever you want with no thought to how much gas is still in the tank or how much it costs has driven US oil consumption. It isn't about status. It's about not having to worry ...ever...about where the next tank of gas is coming from.

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14 Oct 2009, 9:19 pm

Warsie wrote:

ViperaAspis wrote:

Malcolm X would say it's your right to defend yourself from aggression and the devils that wich to keep you down.

This is OUR forum, and the NTs have their forums/sites to bash us (see EncyclopediaDramatica).

Pssssst, Warsie. Yeah, this is our forum, but we don't get to bash ANYBODY here, remember? If you feel you must bash NTs then please go somewhere else to do it.

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14 Oct 2009, 9:30 pm

Warsie wrote:

ViperaAspis wrote:

Malcolm X would say it's your right to defend yourself from aggression and the devils that wich to keep you down.

This is OUR forum, and the NTs have their forums/sites to bash us (see EncyclopediaDramatica).

Every single NT is a devil who is keeping you down? Your life must suck.

(Oh, and ED bashes everyone. Which you know.)

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14 Oct 2009, 9:55 pm

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DenvrDave wrote:

I whole-heartedly agree with the poster who wrote: "There's no 'we' or 'them', just us. Let all human beings get along, we are all one in this cosmic universe = )" If we continue to emphasize our differences, then we will be divided. It makes far more sense to me to focus on our similarities, because we are more similar than different. As Ben Franklin said, "We must all hang together or, surely, we will all hang separately."

It is a nice idea, but it unfortunately does not stand up to further scrutiny.

Much the way your theory that Aspies are a different species holds up to further scrutiny, I suppose?

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14 Oct 2009, 10:11 pm

fiddlerpianist wrote:

rdos wrote:

DenvrDave wrote:

It is a nice idea, but it unfortunately does not stand up to further scrutiny.

Much the way your theory that Aspies are a different species holds up to further scrutiny, I suppose?

Wait, what? Whose "theory" is that? I hate to break it to you (whoever you are

), but the fact that I exist falsifies your theory (after all, my mom is NT. Different species are incapable of having fertile offspring.).

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14 Oct 2009, 11:50 pm

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Not at all. NTs exist as a group because factor-analysis says so.

I think you have used the term "factor analysis" in an attempt to add scientific authority to your opinion. I respect your opinion on this topic, but please don't cloak your opinion in scientific terms unless you are prepared to back it up with a peer-reviewed publication.

rdos wrote:

DenvrDave wrote:

It is a nice idea, but it unfortunately does not stand up to further scrutiny.

I respectfully disagree: The idea does stand up to further scrutiny.

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