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31 Oct 2009, 9:34 am

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That was cruel, both to you and to your mother! Was that psych some kind of confused feel-gooder or simply a sadist?


no she was trying to show my mother how i was not where my mother thought i was.. my mother had imaginary hopes for eventually being able to connect with me.
my psych realized that it was futile for my mother to act in that hopeful way to me. she knew that i was confused and my mother would inevitably be disappointed if she expected that i would ever love her in a human kind of way.

i think she (my psych was a woman who is now the governor of NSW) was trying to ameliorate the angst she perceived between me and my mother.

my mother wanted "love" from me and i wanted "peace and solitude" from her.
i did not understand why her expectations were valid.

anyway, my mother was severely affected by the news that i did not think in anyway as she hoped.

she always knew i was autistic, but she thought that i had some special non autistic place in me where i loved her.
my doctor quashed that hope for her and i felt awful to see my strong mother cry and look at me that way.

i wished for a little while that i was not the way i am, but then i calmed down and became content again.


i guess if my mother is somewhere still and looking at me, then she would automatically understand that i am not to blame for how i am not.

i am not going to be sad about how i am because it is like trying to punch my way out of a cave to understand things other people say or think that i did not think for myself.

the truth can be hard to bear, and people should know the absolute truth before they start to build their dreams.



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31 Oct 2009, 7:45 pm

b9 wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
b9 wrote:
my parents ....etc


That was cruel, both to you and to your mother! Was that psych some kind of confused feel-gooder or simply a sadist?


no she was trying to show my mother how i was not where my mother thought i was.. my mother had imaginary hopes for eventually being able to connect with me.
my psych realized that it was futile for my mother to act in that hopeful way to me. she knew that i was confused and my mother would inevitably be disappointed if she expected that i would ever love her in a human kind of way.

i think she (my psych was a woman who is now the governor of NSW) was trying to ameliorate the angst she perceived between me and my mother.

my mother wanted "love" from me and i wanted "peace and solitude" from her.
i did not understand why her expectations were valid.

anyway, my mother was severely affected by the news that i did not think in anyway as she hoped.

she always knew i was autistic, but she thought that i had some special non autistic place in me where i loved her.
my doctor quashed that hope for her and i felt awful to see my strong mother cry and look at me that way.

i wished for a little while that i was not the way i am, but then i calmed down and became content again.


i guess if my mother is somewhere still and looking at me, then she would automatically understand that i am not to blame for how i am not.

i am not going to be sad about how i am because it is like trying to punch my way out of a cave to understand things other people say or think that i did not think for myself.

the truth can be hard to bear, and people should know the absolute truth before they start to build their dreams.



I'm not sure if I really know what loving in a "human kind of way" means, but I'm guessing you are talking about saying, "I love you", offering hugs, and that kind of thing. I'm not sure if that kind of love is any more valid that your kind. There is no question in my mind that you loved your mother, just by what you've said here.

I love my own mother, and I could write an essay about the reasons why I do, but I couldn't say what it feels like. I'm not sure if it feels like anything at all. It's a good relationship, she's wise and interesting, and I enjoy her company. If love is supposed to be something more than that, I don't know what that would be.



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31 Oct 2009, 8:56 pm

It was several years ago at a mental hostel (no idea I had an ASD at that time):

Her: "'You should get a girlfriend.'"

As if that'd actually help anything at that time.



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31 Oct 2009, 9:01 pm

I have had bad experiences before with psychologists/psychiatrists. One of them was a couple years ago and I was really bad and it increases when I am under stress and it just so happened to be my first appointment. I was freezing a lot, possibly going catatonic or dissociating during this appointment and I do that all the time, so of course it would happen there as well. The idiot jerk went over to me and started yelling to my face, "snap out of it! You have full control over this! Its your fault!" Then I have been dealing with another jerk at the hospital that I end up at about 1-2 times a year. The last time seemed fine during the actual time I was there and that so happened to be just a few weeks ago due to a depressive episode (of course they focused on the so called psychosis instead of me being suicidal) and then I got on meds while I was there and had side effects at the very end. I fainted once and then a close call the second time, and when I got home I started developing slurred speech as well as the severe dizziness. Of course my parents called the idiot psychiatrist that I had during the stay (I almost never talk on the phone, in fact even to my friends as well) and the doctor basically said I am having those side effects because I am faking them to get out of taking pills. What a moron! This is the same idiot that last year on my birthday said (once again not during the actual stay, but in a report that I picked up once I left) that I am "highly suggestible and have a vivid imagination and I just read stuff over the Internet and that is why I have these symptoms." So, basically I read the symptoms and then I get them and then with my "creative mind" I come up with wild, bizarre delusions. This implies that I don't actually believe what I am saying and just making it up like a little kid. No, I believe 100% what I am saying not just intentionally coming up with things for a sci fi book or whatever. I also had a case worker who was great in the beginning and then showed her true self when I had an episode. She also said, "snap out of it! You are creating your own reality."



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31 Oct 2009, 9:18 pm

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Having just been mis-diagnosed with Schizoid personality disorder, he tells me that "this is the end of a lot of things for you", said with some malice. He clearly did not like me.

When I questioned what Schizoid personality disorder actually was, he said the questions were not relevant, I pointed out an interest in philosphy and he says "a lot of mentally ill people are interested in philosophy". My response should have been "and a lot of psychiatrists are f***ing stupid".

Shame he could not do his job properly, mentioning AS would have helped me somewhat. Especially since leading research in philosophy of psychiatry suggests personality disorders are not coherent or realistic concepts.


Haha, I also was 'diagnosed' with schizoid PD at one point. The best part was that it was because we were talking about my dad and I kept all emotion out of my face and voice because the alternative would have been a f*****g meltdown with what do I know for consequences, and when asked, the psychiatrist managed to count down the symptomds for .... schizotypal PD.



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31 Oct 2009, 10:01 pm

b9 wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
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my parents ....etc



i think she (my psych was a woman who is now the governor of NSW) was trying to ameliorate the angst she perceived between me and my mother.



bashir?

anyways..

Worst thing I ever got told is that is that it's easier for autistic children if they get raped because they're so disconnected that they suffer less trauma from the event. That just seems....wrong to say.



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31 Oct 2009, 10:10 pm

hush6 wrote:
b9 wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
b9 wrote:
my parents ....etc



i think she (my psych was a woman who is now the governor of NSW) was trying to ameliorate the angst she perceived between me and my mother.



bashir?

anyways..

Worst thing I ever got told is that is that it's easier for autistic children if they get raped because they're so disconnected that they suffer less trauma from the event. That just seems....wrong to say.
Oh Good God, that is just wrong! :x


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31 Oct 2009, 10:55 pm

Odin wrote:
hush6 wrote:
b9 wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
b9 wrote:
my parents ....etc



i think she (my psych was a woman who is now the governor of NSW) was trying to ameliorate the angst she perceived between me and my mother.



bashir?

anyways..

Worst thing I ever got told is that is that it's easier for autistic children if they get raped because they're so disconnected that they suffer less trauma from the event. That just seems....wrong to say.
Oh Good God, that is just wrong! :x


that's like saying 'oh, jerking the hook out of the fish's mouth doesn't hurt the fish!' or 'don't take on so about losing the baby, you can have more!'


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01 Nov 2009, 12:10 am

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Having just been mis-diagnosed with Schizoid personality disorder, he tells me that "this is the end of a lot of things for you", said with some malice. He clearly did not like me.

When I questioned what Schizoid personality disorder actually was, he said the questions were not relevant, I pointed out an interest in philosphy and he says "a lot of mentally ill people are interested in philosophy". My response should have been "and a lot of psychiatrists are f***ing stupid".

Shame he could not do his job properly, mentioning AS would have helped me somewhat. Especially since leading research in philosophy of psychiatry suggests personality disorders are not coherent or realistic concepts.


We would make good friends, my focus is in Phenomenology. I read Heidegger's Being and Time and I have yet to finish Husserl's essays. I am interested in Psychiatry as well, especially R.D. Laing. Philosophy is a great tool that can be used to think creatively and outside the box. I always light up when I find people interested in Philosophy. Try not to lose that obsession no matter what anyone says. :)



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01 Nov 2009, 1:33 am

Another time, I told the same therapist in my other comment that I was experiencing vivid auditory hallucinations. She told me it was completely normal. Yeah, no. (Thankfully a had a competent neurologist, and it was determined it was a side effect of my sleep disorder - I was basically dreaming while I was still awake, creepy!)



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01 Nov 2009, 3:38 am

HarryHaller wrote:
oppositedirection wrote:
Having just been mis-diagnosed with Schizoid personality disorder, he tells me that "this is the end of a lot of things for you", said with some malice. He clearly did not like me.

When I questioned what Schizoid personality disorder actually was, he said the questions were not relevant, I pointed out an interest in philosphy and he says "a lot of mentally ill people are interested in philosophy". My response should have been "and a lot of psychiatrists are f***ing stupid".

Shame he could not do his job properly, mentioning AS would have helped me somewhat. Especially since leading research in philosophy of psychiatry suggests personality disorders are not coherent or realistic concepts.


We would make good friends, my focus is in Phenomenology. I read Heidegger's Being and Time and I have yet to finish Husserl's essays. I am interested in Psychiatry as well, especially R.D. Laing. Philosophy is a great tool that can be used to think creatively and outside the box. I always light up when I find people interested in Philosophy. Try not to lose that obsession no matter what anyone says. :)


Are you familiar with Philosophical Counselling? Here is a link:

http://www.ufv.ca/faculty/philosophy/raabep/

I got interested in philosophy through Bernard Lonergan's Insight a few years back.



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01 Nov 2009, 3:59 am

That's easy...when I was about four and going to speech therapy classes, my mother was told by a shrink that I was probably mentally ret*d. When I was I accepted into the University of North Carolina, my mother said out of the blue that she'd love to send a copy of the acceptance letter to her, and then do something else with it that would cause mild to moderate discomfort. This was the state of child psychiatry in my little hometown 25 years ago...autism? What's that?


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01 Nov 2009, 4:21 am

"I don't think you should have kids."



Funniest thing I ever heard from my therapist but if I were paying to see her, I would have just walked out the door and not even bother to try and prove her wrong or to see what more silly things she can say.



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01 Nov 2009, 10:48 am

hush6 wrote:
bashir?


yes i was at rivendell adolescent unit.

hush6 wrote:
anyways..
Worst thing I ever got told is that is that it's easier for autistic children if they get raped because they're so disconnected that they suffer less trauma from the event. That just seems....wrong to say.


i can not imagine any professional saying that.
if a doctor told me that i would pretend i understood, and i would take a recording device to my next consultation and incite them to repeat it and i would record them saying it.

i was "interfered" with by 2 of my sisters (one more than the other by far) and i did not really care.
i am adopted and my youngest sister is 11 years older than me. the other one is 13 years older.

my youngest sister used to take me into her bedroom when i was about 4, and she used my hand to stimulate her parts with.
i thought it was a bit smelly and gooey, but it did not take that long and she helped me wash my hand.

the older one used to like to get me into the bathroom to massage oils into her bottom on rare occasions.

i am not sure why i did not feel violated but i never told anyone and i still do not care.
i think it was more like kids experimenting because they were kids.

but i never was assaulted by a man, and i was never terrorized and made to feel scared so i am not saying that how i reacted to my experience is typical.

i think if i was pinned down and forced to do something with a hairy ogre, i may have deep injuries in my mind, and i can not understand how a doctor you knew could say that to you.

but i am shallow so i can not discuss it further.



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01 Nov 2009, 10:48 am

after listening to me explain my situation for about 5 minutes, stopped writing, closed her notebook, and said "I don't get paid enough for this." end of story.