What is the difference between AS and HFA?

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Danielismyname
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01 Jan 2010, 10:56 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
[Well the conclusion clearly states:
Having reviewed the literature, we may be able to answer the question, is there a difference between Asperger's syndrome and High Functioning Autism? The reply is that the research and clinical experience would suggest that there is no clear evidence that they are different disorders. Their similarities are greater than their differences. We appear to be taking, particularly in Europe and Australia, a dimensional view of autism and Asperger' syndrome rather than a categorical approach. (Leekam, Libby, Wing Gould and Gillberg 2000). At present both terms can be used interchangeably in clinical practice.


That's what I said. They're best thought of as the same disorder, just differing in some ways, like severity and social behavior. It's the same thing with LFA and other types of autism.

You can exchange LFA with HFA in his paper and you'll get the same conclusion.



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02 Jan 2010, 6:55 am

Danielismyname wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
[Well the conclusion clearly states:
Having reviewed the literature, we may be able to answer the question, is there a difference between Asperger's syndrome and High Functioning Autism? The reply is that the research and clinical experience would suggest that there is no clear evidence that they are different disorders. Their similarities are greater than their differences. We appear to be taking, particularly in Europe and Australia, a dimensional view of autism and Asperger' syndrome rather than a categorical approach. (Leekam, Libby, Wing Gould and Gillberg 2000). At present both terms can be used interchangeably in clinical practice.


That's what I said. They're best thought of as the same disorder, just differing in some ways, like severity and social behavior. It's the same thing with LFA and other types of autism.

You can exchange LFA with HFA in his paper and you'll get the same conclusion.


Interesting point. I guess the new DSM will be better then, since it's grouping everything together more closely? Though it will still destinguish between "severity level", whatever that's measured by.



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02 Jan 2010, 7:03 am

Yep.

They're going from something like "little or no social interaction"* [with its manifestation explained in the accompanying text] to "clear impairments in social interaction** [with the manifestation explained in the text].

*This would be someone who's in their own world for the most part and doesn't respond to people in a social way
**This would be what's seen as AS today



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02 Jan 2010, 8:29 am

Actually DSM IV division is fautly, that's why they are changing it in DSM V. Actally there are many ingredient in autism, aloof, intelligence (many differet kind), sensory integration, etc... Like 2 NT brain scan will differ, the same holds for autistic. There is obviosly a continuum.


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02 Jan 2010, 10:20 am

I was diagnosed with autism at the age of 4 but then was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome when i was 11 and started talking when i was 6. From what i know people with Asperger's Syndrome have an IQ of 100 or more where as HFA is around 80 and have speech delays but i tend to speak quite well despite having a speech delay. To be honest with you i don't think there is a lot of difference between them as there are all on the autism spectrum and each person is indivdually different.



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02 Jan 2010, 10:49 am

howzat wrote:
I was diagnosed with autism at the age of 4 but then was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome when i was 11 and started talking when i was 6. From what i know people with Asperger's Syndrome have an IQ of 100 or more where as HFA is around 80 and have speech delays but i tend to speak quite well despite having a speech delay. To be honest with you i don't think there is a lot of difference between them as there are all on the autism spectrum and each person is indivdually different.


There is no IQ difference between HFA and AS.



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02 Jan 2010, 12:48 pm

elderwanda wrote:
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autism is like being a fish that swims comfortably at different depths than most.

the deepest swimmers can see no sign of the surface of the water, let alone what is above that.
the shallowest swimmers (in the world of autism) are asperger people who can see through a few inches of water what seems to be happening above the surface.


This makes perfect sense to me, and is a good metaphor. (Except for the fact that autistic people are forbidden to use metaphors, but we'll let it slide.)


i do not know what you mean to "let it slide".
i can not understand "metaphors" that are the products of other peoples minds very well.
i make my own metaphors to understand what i would not otherwise be able to frame into a hierarchical perception.
i can not understand metaphors i did not make up very well at all.

i also can not see what proverbs mean instinctively. i know what most of them mean because i have sought answers to what they mean. i never would be able to see what they mean with out help.

"you reap what you sow" is a silly sentence. if i sow seeds, then i do not reap seeds.
i would reap a harvest of mature plants that the seeds grew into. but i am told that it does not mean what i think it means. i am told it means that you "get back what you put in". that also makes no real sense because it seems obvious that if i put my watch in a drawer, then when i reopen the drawer, i can "get back" my watch.
why would there be an adage about such a banal and obvious inevitability?

whatever.

i can liken the things i wish to understand to concrete scenarios, and that is maybe like creating metaphors, but it is actually an attempt at roping the intangible with a mesh of concrete descriptions.
i really do not know much without much consideration.




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Personally, I've got my face right at the surface of the water. I can look down and see the fish and coral, and that's nice. Or I can look up and see the blue sky and clouds, and see the beach people in the distance, but sometimes the sun is too bright or I have to wipe the water out of my eyes first. Periodically a wave comes along and splashes straight down the back of my nose.
i do not understand well your continuation of the metaphor.
my metaphor was to convey how i see it objectively. i do not subjectively feel anything much in my own consciousness about whether i am near or far from other peoples minds. i guess i swim face down. i have never really seen what it is like above the surface because i am not able, so i look at what is under me.
when i was a baby, i always screamed unless i was placed face down.


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Also, the swimmers metaphor acknowledges that the most LF autistic people, the deepest swimmers, are still having their own experiences which are no less valuable than those of the shallow swimmers. I like that because there is no judgment in it.
you are very nice to see virtue in lack of judgment. (that is worded in a very easily misinterpretable way, but i think you will not misinterpret it so i will not try to think of a better way of saying it)

every conscious experience had by any living thing is infinitely valuable because no being in the universe can create consciousness. whatever is seen by those that see is very valuable. even if the one seeing is a frog on a leaf or a cockroach running for it's life or the queen of england.
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i can make 2 good songs for every painful verbal sentence i try to say here. maybe i should desist for a few days in talking aimlessly.


It might have been painful to write, but it was enjoyable to read, imo.


thankyou for making me more confident that my posts are not illegible garble.
i often do not understand what i posted shortly after i post it, and i think it seems like gibberish.