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If you could go by a simple medication gene therapy or what ever NT, would you?
Yes 28%  28%  [ 23 ]
No 72%  72%  [ 59 ]
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24 Mar 2010, 1:06 am

I wish it were possible for me to change my vote. I meant to pick "No" but accidentally picked "Yes" & clicked the submit button too fast. So one of those "Yes" answers, should be a NO.

I would definitely not want to be an NT. I love a lot of the things about myself & most of those things would disappear if I were NT.


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24 Mar 2010, 4:14 am

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Ugh, I'm so f***ing sick of people on the internet all talking the same; noob, fail, win, ftw, etc. Why isn't anyone original anymore? You all sound like a bunch a stupid teenagers./rant.


"people on the internet all talking the same" = ALL "people on the internet"? :?: if that's what you mean, then sorry, i'm only human. btw, i don't know about any of those terms you mentioned.



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24 Mar 2010, 6:12 am

auntblabby wrote:
pensieve wrote:
Ugh, I'm so f***ing sick of people on the internet all talking the same; noob, fail, win, ftw, etc. Why isn't anyone original anymore? You all sound like a bunch a stupid teenagers./rant.


"people on the internet all talking the same" = ALL "people on the internet"? :?: if that's what you mean, then sorry, i'm only human. btw, i don't know about any of those terms you mentioned.

It's easy to know what I mean.
Anyone who uses those terms.
I suppose it's because it's all I hear on Facebook, and the my friends use the terms then my sister. Argh! It won't end.
And I really don't care who used the terms first. I've been using the internet since I was 13 - way before those terms were used.
It shows what a copy-cat society we live in.


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24 Mar 2010, 2:43 pm

pensieve wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
pensieve wrote:
Ugh, I'm so f***ing sick of people on the internet all talking the same; noob, fail, win, ftw, etc. Why isn't anyone original anymore? You all sound like a bunch a stupid teenagers./rant.


"people on the internet all talking the same" = ALL "people on the internet"? :?: if that's what you mean, then sorry, i'm only human. btw, i don't know about any of those terms you mentioned.

It's easy to know what I mean.
Anyone who uses those terms.
I suppose it's because it's all I hear on Facebook, and the my friends use the terms then my sister. Argh! It won't end.
And I really don't care who used the terms first. I've been using the internet since I was 13 - way before those terms were used.
It shows what a copy-cat society we live in.


I suppose that was against me, given I wasnt directing mine at you, I foind this attack uncalled for. I suppose I should also stop midding my computer now that so many other people are doing so as well.


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24 Mar 2010, 2:51 pm

pensieve wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
pensieve wrote:
Ugh, I'm so f***ing sick of people on the internet all talking the same; noob, fail, win, ftw, etc. Why isn't anyone original anymore? You all sound like a bunch a stupid teenagers./rant.


"people on the internet all talking the same" = ALL "people on the internet"? :?: if that's what you mean, then sorry, i'm only human. btw, i don't know about any of those terms you mentioned.

It's easy to know what I mean.
Anyone who uses those terms.
I suppose it's because it's all I hear on Facebook, and the my friends use the terms then my sister. Argh! It won't end.
And I really don't care who used the terms first. I've been using the internet since I was 13 - way before those terms were used.
It shows what a copy-cat society we live in.



I call that lazy typing. I'm the same way. I do it in walls, and IMs. But I sometimes do lazy typing here like 'B&J' and 'ALOTO.' Quicker than typing out the whole thing, same as when we type 'aspies' and 'AS.'



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24 Mar 2010, 3:01 pm

I feel balanced the way I am now.



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24 Mar 2010, 3:03 pm

pensieve wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
pensieve wrote:
Ugh, I'm so f***ing sick of people on the internet all talking the same; noob, fail, win, ftw, etc. Why isn't anyone original anymore? You all sound like a bunch a stupid teenagers./rant.


"people on the internet all talking the same" = ALL "people on the internet"? :?: if that's what you mean, then sorry, i'm only human. btw, i don't know about any of those terms you mentioned.

It's easy to know what I mean.
Anyone who uses those terms.
I suppose it's because it's all I hear on Facebook, and the my friends use the terms then my sister. Argh! It won't end.
And I really don't care who used the terms first. I've been using the internet since I was 13 - way before those terms were used.
It shows what a copy-cat society we live in.


Listen, People like you I think are a bunch of stupid hyprocrits. Its a part of a culture, I'm sickened by people who launch attacks at others for no reason, I'm sick of people who seem to be unable to give a sentence without out swearing, and they do that here but guess what, thats them ansd Im allowing it, I'm sick of people being intolent in a place that is supposed to be. Just because a bunch of beople started doing stuff I did since it's begging doesnt mean Im not stopping, and just because someone outside the culture doesnt like it, I'm not stopping. Finally, I really don't like it when people want me to explain without asking. If you want something from me, and you are not paying it's the least you can do/rant


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24 Mar 2010, 5:05 pm

I'm not lying when I say I :heart: my Aspergers. I would never dream of getting rid of it. I embrace it. As far as I'm aware, I view the world in far more clarity than the average NT. We have fear of social places because, unlike NTs, we don't block everyone out, we notice them. We notice things the average NT would not. We are gifted, but with every gift there is a curse - our Social Stigma.



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24 Mar 2010, 10:29 pm

Having AS has cost me so much over the years. And now it's costing me my education. Although I would love to be accepted for who I am, the harsh reality is that I'm not. What especially hurts is the fact that I was able for three years to have enough energy to successfully put up the facade of being NT, and it was absolutely wonderful. I was genuinely respected, made lots of friends, and thoroughly enjoyed myself. I am going to work very hard this summer on getting that back, because it was beautiful to see flashes of the person I could be if I did not have AS.

I want to be a productive member of society and to make the world a better place. I sincerely believe that is my purpose in life. Not fame, not money, not recognition. Just being of service. Getting a cure and becoming NT would make those goals so much easier, and it would benefit not only me, but those (human, animal, and plant) who would benefit from my being able to live up to my full potential.

In other words, I am doing the best I can, but my best would be so much better if I wasn't on the spectrum.



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24 Mar 2010, 10:33 pm

Eggman wrote:
pensieve wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
pensieve wrote:
Ugh, I'm so f***ing sick of people on the internet all talking the same; noob, fail, win, ftw, etc. Why isn't anyone original anymore? You all sound like a bunch a stupid teenagers./rant.


"people on the internet all talking the same" = ALL "people on the internet"? :?: if that's what you mean, then sorry, i'm only human. btw, i don't know about any of those terms you mentioned.

It's easy to know what I mean.
Anyone who uses those terms.
I suppose it's because it's all I hear on Facebook, and the my friends use the terms then my sister. Argh! It won't end.
And I really don't care who used the terms first. I've been using the internet since I was 13 - way before those terms were used.
It shows what a copy-cat society we live in.


Listen, People like you I think are a bunch of stupid hyprocrits. Its a part of a culture, I'm sickened by people who launch attacks at others for no reason, I'm sick of people who seem to be unable to give a sentence without out swearing, and they do that here but guess what, thats them ansd Im allowing it, I'm sick of people being intolent in a place that is supposed to be. Just because a bunch of beople started doing stuff I did since it's begging doesnt mean Im not stopping, and just because someone outside the culture doesnt like it, I'm not stopping. Finally, I really don't like it when people want me to explain without asking. If you want something from me, and you are not paying it's the least you can do/rant

One: I wasn't talking about you in particular, but everyone that talks like that as a whole.

Two: I'm over it. I don't care what you think and I'm not talking about this any further.


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24 Mar 2010, 10:41 pm

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You do know that noob means newbie, as in someone just starting out? We were all noobs on this forum at some point. Noobs and fakes are nothing alike.

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20060823

Ugh, I'm so f***ing sick of people on the internet all talking the same; noob, fail, win, ftw, etc. Why isn't anyone original anymore? You all sound like a bunch a stupid teenagers.

/rant.
They're not original in real life, either. Slang will pop up in any community, and the Internet is no different.

Internet slang is like any other slang. People use slang words like these to communicate a vague group of associated ideas, almost to set the tone of a conversation. The annoying thing about them (and quite possibly what is annoying you) is that they are so vague as to have no meaning by themselves at all. Their meanings are determined by, and in turn help to determine, the meaning of the context in which you find them. If you follow the patterns, you see the linguistic equivalent of the different filters in Photoshop--things that don't alter the image's content, but that can by their presence change the image's meaning, especially in connotative ways. Or, if you're musical, like a single note in a tune changing the song's entire feeling; the note has no particular meaning on its own, but when combined with the notes around it, it changes the pattern.

Slang words, of course, also identify you as a member of a group, and help to strengthen the bonds between group members, especially when the group is large enough that most members do not directly know most other members. This is the slang of the Internet subculture. Get used to it--it happens wherever NTs clump with each other.


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24 Mar 2010, 10:50 pm

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What especially hurts is the fact that I was able for three years to have enough energy to successfully put up the facade of being NT, and it was absolutely wonderful. I was genuinely respected, made lots of friends, and thoroughly enjoyed myself.


I'm impressed. I tried that. It worked, but you know what? I thought it sucked. I was miserable all the time; I hated that I could never just relax and be myself. I had to fake "normal" all the time, and it was hugely stressful. I was almost giddy with relief when I finally admitted that the truth is that I'm just weird. I quickly stopped trying to be someone I'm not, and I'm much happier (and as a result, nicer) now! I'm honestly glad for you, that you can be happy acting like an NT, and impressed that you carry it off so well and feel so good. I hope you can get that feeling back, and feel good about yourself again.



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24 Mar 2010, 11:10 pm

Thank you so much, Rose. I'm impressed by YOU, being able to be happy with yourself the way you are. If I could accept myself, things would be so much easier, and I have no doubt that I would also be happier.

Here at uni, when I first started last August I went through that whole miserable/not relaxing thing. Then it got to the point where I simply did not have enough energy to even think about keeping the act up. I am going to be so relieved on May 8 when I can go home and just be myself and not feel so bad about being on the spectrum. Next step is to try to reconcile the NT act that I can successfully put on when I'm not under too much stress with the real AS me, so that I can accept myself AND have other people accept me. Then maybe I can get a paid position so that my husband won't have to "finance" my volunteer work and then I won't feel like such a freeloader. That is truly all I ask.



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24 Mar 2010, 11:50 pm

I wouldn't.

It's not because I think autism is all of who I am. Well.. actually strictly I don't think autism is a thing. It's a word that describes particular people. The people and our varied experiences are real. Autism is an abstraction. People forget this and act like it's a thing inside us. But it's not. And anyway the term autistic only refers to part of who I am. But I value that part. Whether or not there is a name for it. (I am not a wordlander. At all.)

It's also not because I have an easier life than people who want a cure. I've had a harder life than many. That has nothing to do with it.

It's because, those difficulties that people so rapidly assume I ought to be rid of at any cost? They're attached.

I am very introspective. I have worked out a lot of which ability connects to which other. And they're very entangled. It's not simple.

I have certain experiences that I know are connected to why I'm considered autistic. They may not be connected in everyone autistic but they are for me and many others I know.

I like those things. I value those things. And I know those things have firm connections to some of my greatest difficulties.

I have a hard time talking about those things because language breaks down around them.

There is the way I take in huge amounts of sensory information. And then slowly patterns sort of evolve themselves. And I understand things mainly through this. And do not want to be without it.

There is an article I wrote. Here it is (link). That gets into it better than I can tonight. But this stuff is very real and I don't want to give it up. I don't have anything against nonautistic people. They are who they are and I am who I am and it's not for either of us to tell the other to switch to being like us. Because each of us has fundamental ways of perceiving the world that are valuable to us as we are already.

And seriously when they actually do research on autistic people what they find isn't nonautistic people plus difficulties, but rather people who have perceptual differences that provide a set of advantages and disadvantages different from the standard set of advantages and disadvantages. And I'm not talking superficial aspie superpowers but rather things that any sort of autistic person can have.

And it's up to each one of us what we would want to change and why. And since I know that even some of my biggest disadvantages are tied to experiences I greatly value then I choose not to be changed. And I probably know more about my mind than anyone on the outside.


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25 Mar 2010, 12:07 am

If there was such a thing as a "soul"....I would be sorely tempted to sell mine in exchange for "going NT".


My life is a living hell thanks entirely to my brain.


Not every single one of us can be happy with the brain they were given and I expected infinitely more from mine.

Obviously the universe cares nothing about human expectations. I'm sure most 15 year-olds who get killed in car accidents were expecting to go to college, get married, have kids, etc...


Eh....such is reality at it's finest :roll:



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25 Mar 2010, 1:01 am

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[One: I wasn't talking about you in particular, but everyone that talks like that as a whole.

Two: I'm over it. I don't care what you think and I'm not talking about this any further.


one as in in responce to what I said and would include me, I find it hard to belive

two As am I both over with this and not caring waht you think


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