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PunkyKat
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14 Nov 2010, 10:09 am

I personaly think it's not its own condition. I was originaly diagnosed with ADHD before the term Asperger's was coined. I also notice a lot of other people with Asperger's were originaly diagnosed with ADHD and most kids with ADHD diagnosise eventualy end up being diagnosed with AS. I once saw a documentary on ADHD and they showed this little girl who had the inatentive type she looked like she had eppilepsy and was having peti mal seziures. I bet a lot of these other people with supposed "inatentive" ADHD probably really have eppilepsy. I think ADHD is really just symptoms of other condidtions.


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14 Nov 2010, 10:23 am

ADHD Isn't A Real Disorder - On the contrary, ADHD is a real neurological challenge for some. For those who believe ADHD isn't a real disorder which affects the ability to easily pay attention, take a look at the How To (understand) Hyperactivity book (1981) about ADHD Inattentive by C. Thomas Wild. There are a few persons who benefit from the right central nervous system stimulant - alerting agent - (not a cure) and it makes a big, positive difference in their lives. Some of these persons have used FDA approved medicines (stimulants) for over thirty years because they work a little (not a cure).

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14 Nov 2010, 11:41 am

Mysty, you're saying ADHD isn't a real disorder?

Now on with my reply for the thread:

I was suspected of having ADHD as a kid but I was diagnosed with ADD. To me it doesn't seem like a real disorder because I don't feel impaired by it and I don't need meds. Maybe I don't really have it and I was maybe one of those kids misdiagnosed with it, who knows. That's what I wonder sometimes. But my brother has it and takes medicine or he acts careless without it. He needs it so he can concentrate in his life and focus. But as a child I struggled hard with concentration and was the last person to get my school work done and I always had tons of homework and boy I hated school. I always had lot of homework and school get out and I still have school because I had so much homework. I rarely got my school work done in school.



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14 Nov 2010, 12:50 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Mysty, you're saying ADHD isn't a real disorder?


You can read, can't you? Did I say that? Why do you think I said something I didn't?

No, I wasn't saying ADHD isn't a real disorder. I wasn't saying it is or isn't.

I was saying people being diagnosed with something doesn't make it a real disorder. For someone to say (or to imply it with a rhetorical question), "ADHD is a real disorder because I'm diagnosed with it" is a bogus argument. The existence of a diagnostic label does not make something a disorder. Hopefully it reflects there being a genuine something-wrong, but that hasn't always been the case.

Pointing out an argument is bogus doesn't mean that what was concluded is wrong. It just means that argument doesn't work to prove it.


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14 Nov 2010, 12:56 pm

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Well, as I said before, It certainly disorders me. Perhaps because I have the inattentive type and don't have the benefit of quick thought processes.


Now that's a better argument. One problem though. There's no "it". Something disorders you, yes. But is ADHD, and our conceptions about it the right way to look at it? Having something wrong with you, and a label that more or less fits does not automatically make the ideas that go with the label a correct understanding of what's going on.

We can question whether ADHD is real while still believing the experiences of those diagnosed with it.


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14 Nov 2010, 1:07 pm

Mysty wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Mysty, you're saying ADHD isn't a real disorder?


You can read, can't you? Did I say that? Why do you think I said something I didn't?

No, I wasn't saying ADHD isn't a real disorder. I wasn't saying it is or isn't.

I was saying people being diagnosed with something doesn't make it a real disorder. For someone to say (or to imply it with a rhetorical question), "ADHD is a real disorder because I'm diagnosed with it" is a bogus argument. The existence of a diagnostic label does not make something a disorder. Hopefully it reflects there being a genuine something-wrong, but that hasn't always been the case.

Pointing out an argument is bogus doesn't mean that what was concluded is wrong. It just means that argument doesn't work to prove it.



I have a hard time understanding what I am reading if people aren't specific. Things always need to be exact for me to understand. Sometimes I think someone is implying something so it doesn't hurt to ask.

You did say:

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Sorry, can't buy the first half of that. I wish we lived in a world where people didn't get diagnosed with things that aren't disorders. People used to get diagnosed with homosexuality. That didn't make it a disorder. Just because someone makes a diagnostic label and thinks something is a disorder doesn't make it so.


So you made it sound like you think it wasn't a real disorder. Then you mention about people making a diagnostic label and thinks something is a disorder doesn't make it so. I know you were using homosexuality as an example so I wasn't sure if you were thinking the same for ADHD. Also, you told Pensieve you can't buy the first half of that. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant there too?



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14 Nov 2010, 1:15 pm

I'll try my best here but, ADHD is a legitimate phenomenon regardless of labels or such. If ADHD was all just psychosomatic and nothing more than many of the people throughout the world could simply act as if nothing gives him/her trouble..Honestly, my attention span is not that great though, I may not have ADHD that does not mean my difficulties are all in my mind..



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14 Nov 2010, 1:38 pm

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most kids with ADHD diagnosise eventualy end up being diagnosed with AS.


I have many doubts that is true - the estimates of prevalence of ADHD are 20 times higher than the estimates for AS; it is very difficult the conciliate that with "most kids with ADHD diagnosise eventualy end up being diagnosed with AS" (the opposite - "most kids with AS were originally diagnosed with ADHD" - seems more plausible)



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14 Nov 2010, 1:56 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Mysty wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Mysty, you're saying ADHD isn't a real disorder?


You can read, can't you? Did I say that? Why do you think I said something I didn't?

No, I wasn't saying ADHD isn't a real disorder. I wasn't saying it is or isn't.

I was saying people being diagnosed with something doesn't make it a real disorder. For someone to say (or to imply it with a rhetorical question), "ADHD is a real disorder because I'm diagnosed with it" is a bogus argument. The existence of a diagnostic label does not make something a disorder. Hopefully it reflects there being a genuine something-wrong, but that hasn't always been the case.

Pointing out an argument is bogus doesn't mean that what was concluded is wrong. It just means that argument doesn't work to prove it.



I have a hard time understanding what I am reading if people aren't specific. Things always need to be exact for me to understand. Sometimes I think someone is implying something so it doesn't hurt to ask.

You did say:

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Sorry, can't buy the first half of that. I wish we lived in a world where people didn't get diagnosed with things that aren't disorders. People used to get diagnosed with homosexuality. That didn't make it a disorder. Just because someone makes a diagnostic label and thinks something is a disorder doesn't make it so.


So you made it sound like you think it wasn't a real disorder. Then you mention about people making a diagnostic label and thinks something is a disorder doesn't make it so. I know you were using homosexuality as an example so I wasn't sure if you were thinking the same for ADHD. Also, you told Pensieve you can't buy the first half of that. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant there too?


Apparently, you have a hard time understanding people if they are direct and say what they mean.

No, I didn't make it sound like I think it wasn't a real disorder. You are reading something into what I wrote that's just not there. I said I don't buy her argument. Nothing more. That's NOT saying I think the the conclusion is wrong. It is possible to be neutral on an issue. It's even possible to disagree with an arguement while agreeing with the possition is supposedly supports.


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