A mathematically generalized definition of rape

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lol, u mad?

Ofcourse it is.

Just because you survived child molestation does not prove child molestation is objectively worse than fatal heart attacks at 40 or something.


Did it ever occur to you that SOME people (it is irrevelant how many or how few) just MIGHT find cardiovascular trouble at 30
worse (or at least as bad in it's own way) as being molested?

Not at all....just wholly indifferent to your self-proclaimed "winnings".

The point is most people don't have such issues from fast food. Even children with dismissive parents that let them eat whatever they want. This makes the comparison invalid.

Audacious self-proclaimed victory.

Really?


I guess that's why we don't have a virtual epidemic of childhood obesity in America.

Childhood obesity isn't the same thing as heart failure at 25. Sure, one can lead to the other, but more often then not it doesn't.

I'm not at all downplaying the obesity problem here in America, but I am saying it's not the same thing as someone sexually violating a child.

You say it's subjective, I say it's not. Molestation often leads to rape, and depending on the child's physical age, rape can lead to death or severe physical disabilities. Let's also not forget the high rate of suicide among child molestation victims.

Consider the child whose brain is weakened by the mother smoking while she was pregnant or the sudden infant death. Most of us have known soneonen who was a non smoker who died from cancer or heart disease they got from living or working with a smoker. A diagnosis of terminal cancer must be comparable to being raped especially when the cancer was not necessary.

I also refuse to let corporations off the hook when they do things like Nestles did that killed nearly one million infants in third world countries with their infant formula for which they knew the mothers did not have the money for proper equipment to steralize bottles and the commercial replacement for natural breast feeding was not even necessary.

Parents have to protect their children because some corporations are at war against parental authority in such matters as trashy food and tobacco products. Consider the candy fruit flavours in snuff and little cigarettes that are designed to be sold to children.

No, it is not comparable to rape.

I'm guessing you've never been raped or had a candid conversation with someone that has.

Agreed.

And now having read more of the thread...

I can't believe there's people debating on if too many burgers is better or worse than being molested.

It doesn't matter.

Being subjected to marketing pressure to buy burgers, it's different than rape. And not just because one has the choice to turn off the TV or radio. Nor because one has the choice to not give into the pressure from the ads, and the choice to say "no" to one's kids. Because, simply, it's something totally different from having one's body physically violated.

And, with the 2nd hand smoke, well, unless someone's holding me down and forcing smoke into me, it's not at all the same.

I wonder if the original poster would think differently if he were female.

Excellent points.

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

I didn't say it was.... but I guess I can see how you got the impression I was saying that based upon what I wrote.


Nonetheless...you have pretty much proved the validity of my own argument here.

One can and DOES lead to another.

It hardly matters how much it does....the fact that it does is sufficient unto itself.


IOW....junk food peddlers are doing something fundamentally immoral and sociopathic IMO.

They are doing everything in their power to feed the junk food addiction of millions of children.

It doesn't matter if childhood obesity contributes to serious health problems later in life for 20 million people or 10,000.

The health problems that can come from regular and long-term consumption of junk food aren't just directly related childhood obesity either.




It is nothing but subjective. Human beings are, first and foremost, individuals.

Thus.....individuals respond differently to similar, or even identical, events.


Consider how millions of Americans who fought in the Vietnam war responded to that event.


Many came home and, more or less, got on with the sort of life most people lead.

IOW....they found a career, got married, raised a family, etc....

Others came home and have been psychically traumatized homeless alcoholics since they came home.

Again...it's not really important (for any purposes in this thread at least) WHY people respond differently to similar/identical events.


Suffice it to say that they do and molestation is no exception.

So are you saying that those responsible for the "Nestles incident" barney described are somehow morally superior to rapists???

I think the bolded part is what barney was implying when he compared certain groups and individuals to rapists.

Not at all. They're still repugnant. It doesn't make it rape.

Just from reading the first page, it seems to me that the OP has the words Molest and Rape confused. My girlfriend was actually molested by her grandfather around the age of 8. No penetration happened, but it was still an invasion of her intimate/private space.

I would accept that a person smoking and purposely blowing the smoke in my face, knowing full well I don't like it, would be somewhat similar to molesting someone, but not nearly as bad.

I also agree with the statement someone said about Parents nowadays need to grow a pair and actually say no to their kids when they need to. You're there to parent them, not be their best friend. You can act like the best friend, but when you need to discipline them they need to know that YOU'RE the boss, not them.