I'm tired of the disgruntled so-called men

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06 Aug 2010, 8:54 pm

katzefrau wrote:
i think women should have absolute veto power over beard growth,

Yes, and they also have a right to grow a beard if they so choose. :lol:

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i wonder if where some of this male / female hostility (re ease of dating, ease of life on the spectrum in general) comes from is the basic difficulty of feeling like being oneself is good enough - obviously it's not been, for some of us. it's lost us jobs, it's caused us to be bullied, it's made lots of things difficult. maybe blaming one's gender takes a little of the pressure off of autism for a minute.

Yes, maybe you're on to something there. Sometimes it has struck me that despite the crazy social systems we regalarly criticise, most men and women do manage to find each other, get work and live without constant misery.

When things are feeling bad, it's natural to look at what we haven't got. And the "opposite gender" is something we haven't got and will never have, so easy to blame.


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06 Aug 2010, 9:33 pm

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Mind you, it's uncanny how ALL the women I've had relationships with have required me to take the lead in some way - not one has ever just told me straight that they wanted to be my girlfriend. And I haven't looked for partners in the usual mainstream haunts, in fact I've specialised in unusual women and kept away from the ordinary ones.

I can relate so much to this!! Personally, I don't understand the men who back off from these "missed opportunities" when a woman has taken the lead with them. If I had waited for the girl to make things clear, I'd be the 50 year old virgin, as they never made anything clear! Maybe it's not "uncanny" so much as the typical experience for males without very good looks, wealth or power?

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Some of them were extremely feisty and assertive people, but they still reverted to secrecy and passivity when it came to actually starting the relationship

Underneath all that 'empowerment' and 'affirmative action', they'll still never be *real* men. :)

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never met one yet who was prepared to take all the risk out of it for me.

Whether they work for NT's or not, the current social conventions appear potentially disastrous for Aspies. For example, it disturbs me to realise that my current partner has said that if I hadn't declared an outright interest, hadn't taken a risk that could potentially have had me accused of harrassment or somesuch, then she would have just assumed I wasn't interested. Thank God for the inhibition removing ability of strong wine....

I've read that women fare better outside of relationships and are generally happier than single men. Maybe this is true and this is why they show so little interest. Men take risks and strive for passion, warmth and romance, whereas woman are OK with it so long as they don't have to make too much effort. :wink: Seriously, I sometimes wonder how much the current culture cultivates an attitude of complacency in women, whether this works against them in the long run and whether this is 'biological nauture' or 'cultural conditioning'.


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06 Aug 2010, 9:48 pm

i find this conversation baffling. i don't relate to anything you two are saying about women.

:?

but i'll guess, if it's typical for women to suppress assertiveness or expressing their desires, it it is because they are playing the role, whether for their own "benefit" or the benefit of the potential partner or because they don't know if breaking the roleplaying will be received well, can't say, and there probably is not one definitive answer. i doubt women are less inclined toward relationships. if anything i would say they overfocus on them, at the expense of defining themselves in their absence.

i've asked men out, never with good results.

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Whether they work for NT's or not, the current social conventions appear potentially disastrous for Aspies.


i'm going to go with that as a reasonable generality. people are just going to fare better, or at least likely have less communication interference, if they are more alike.


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07 Aug 2010, 1:17 am

Unfortunately, it's getting to where you have to make sexist rants to get any sort of attention on here.


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07 Aug 2010, 1:30 am

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Unfortunately, it's getting to where you have to make sexist rants to get any sort of attention on here.


How so?


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07 Aug 2010, 6:43 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
Unfortunately, it's getting to where you have to make sexist rants to get any sort of attention on here.


You are not owed attention.
If you crave it that badly, however, you could try running down the street naked and singing Christmas carols at the top of your lungs. That will certainly get people to notice you.


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07 Aug 2010, 3:14 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Unfortunately, it's getting to where you have to make sexist rants to get any sort of attention on here.


You are not owed attention.
If you crave it that badly, however, you could try running down the street naked and singing Christmas carols at the top of your lungs. That will certainly get people to notice you.

I don't know if this is what Tim Tex is referring to, but it's certainly true, and not just on this forum, that controversial posts and topics get a lot of responses.



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07 Aug 2010, 3:21 pm

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Who_Am_I wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Unfortunately, it's getting to where you have to make sexist rants to get any sort of attention on here.


You are not owed attention.
If you crave it that badly, however, you could try running down the street naked and singing Christmas carols at the top of your lungs. That will certainly get people to notice you.

I don't know if this is what Tim Tex is referring to, but it's certainly true, and not just on this forum, that controversial posts and topics get a lot of responses.


Well yeah, but that's because more people have something to say about it. Tim_Tex doesn't need to make a sexist rant to 'get attention'. Instead, he needs to assert his opinions more in the correct threads.


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07 Aug 2010, 3:52 pm

I think that's true of everything. As It is firey, exciting political commentators who have more simple, extreme views who are put on TV and radio rather than people with more thoughful and balanced views.



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07 Aug 2010, 4:06 pm

as aspies we have a gift because our brains do not naturally proccess socialization we overcompensate by being able to think in ways that others can not whether male or female we all are put into a world that is trying endlessly to figure out what we are born knowing and that is what is aspergers and the answer we are aspergers but aspergers is not us



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07 Aug 2010, 7:46 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Unfortunately, it's getting to where you have to make sexist rants to get any sort of attention on here.


You are not owed attention.
If you crave it that badly, however, you could try running down the street naked and singing Christmas carols at the top of your lungs. That will certainly get people to notice you.


Not talking about myself getting attention. I meant that it seems like the "nice guys vs. jerks" and "women have it easier" threads get more replies than the ones where people ask for legitimate relationship-related advice.


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07 Aug 2010, 9:19 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Unfortunately, it's getting to where you have to make sexist rants to get any sort of attention on here.


You are not owed attention.
If you crave it that badly, however, you could try running down the street naked and singing Christmas carols at the top of your lungs. That will certainly get people to notice you.


Not talking about myself getting attention. I meant that it seems like the "nice guys vs. jerks" and "women have it easier" threads get more replies than the ones where people ask for legitimate relationship-related advice.


Thats because it rarks people up. They feel the need to set the member straight.
Thats why trolls get attention even though the quality of their posts is well below par.



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08 Aug 2010, 8:35 pm

Neither gender has it easy, each has to cope with a separate set of stereotypes. If your autistic, or even NT and don't fit into the expected mold people will give you a hard time at least once in awhile.


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09 Aug 2010, 4:18 am

The amount of people who seem to believe that society is inherently equal and that women don't get s**t on for just being women amazes me. You only need look out the window to see sexism in our society. In advertising, in the workplace, on TV, on film, in games, in fashion, in schools, in religion, wherever. Yes, things are gradually getting better. No, we haven't reached equality yet.

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09 Aug 2010, 4:54 am

Imagine the difficulties being ND, female, and black!

Add short stature, obesity and poverty and then you can really get in on!

In short, white male aspies have it pretty good



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09 Aug 2010, 6:00 am

Whisper wrote:
The amount of people who seem to believe that society is inherently equal and that women don't get sh** on for just being women amazes me. You only need look out the window to see sexism in our society. In advertising, in the workplace, on TV, on film, in games, in fashion, in schools, in religion, wherever. Yes, things are gradually getting better. No, we haven't reached equality yet.

Being a ND male is hard because you're disabled. Being a ND female is hard because you're disabled and lack male privilege.



I am going to sound like a jerk, but we will never reach full equality as long as..........

-A women can hit a man, but not the other way around?
Why this wont happen. Men are just naturally physically stronger than a women. I have never seen any women bench 225(average guy wieght) in my gym ever. I am sure it exist. However, such women are usually on rioids

-Men are much more logical thinkers than men
Look at the amount of female engineers in firms




So, when full equality is reached. Can I go up and hit any women that offends me? Is that cool with you women.

I wouldn't really do this. I just think that if full equality is reached that men should be able to get in fights with women and be charged as if they got in a fight with a guy.