Take this fascinating test (schizophrenia vs. autism)

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Do you agree that autism is extreme male brain and schizophrenia is extreme female brain?
yes 3%  3%  [ 4 ]
no 75%  75%  [ 88 ]
undecided 21%  21%  [ 25 ]
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05 Sep 2010, 9:44 pm

Science is not about finding the elegant explanation. (Although I question the elegance of this one. Only a very abstract thinker would see it so because when you try to connect it to concrete reality it fails miserably in almost every possible way. A stupid online recreational test as a measure of anything about someone??? Yikes.) Science is about testing explanations ruthlessly until you find one that doesn't fall apart no matter what parts of reality you subject it to. And then understanding that even your best explanation will one day be replaced because the search for knowledge is never over. People becoming overly wedded to the pet theories they find aesthetically pleasing is one of the things that holds science back, and that's what SBC is doing with this kind of theory if you can even call it a theory given its lack of rigorous testing. (All hypotheses have to be tested in every conceivable way. SBC doesn't do that. I've read his books and his actual studies and they're an exercise in frustration, like most autism "research" out there today.) Stuff like this only holds science back.


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05 Sep 2010, 11:28 pm

anbuend wrote:
Science is not about finding the elegant explanation. (Although I question the elegance of this one. Only a very abstract thinker would see it so because when you try to connect it to concrete reality it fails miserably in almost every possible way. A stupid online recreational test as a measure of anything about someone??? Yikes.) Science is about testing explanations ruthlessly until you find one that doesn't fall apart no matter what parts of reality you subject it to. And then understanding that even your best explanation will one day be replaced because the search for knowledge is never over. People becoming overly wedded to the pet theories they find aesthetically pleasing is one of the things that holds science back, and that's what SBC is doing with this kind of theory if you can even call it a theory given its lack of rigorous testing. (All hypotheses have to be tested in every conceivable way. SBC doesn't do that. I've read his books and his actual studies and they're an exercise in frustration, like most autism "research" out there today.) Stuff like this only holds science back.

Yea. I agree. The idea of science is to find an explanation that is as simple as possible but no more, if I may quote what Einstein said. If too many posteriori modifications and/or exceptions have to be made for a theory to apply in the real world, that's a sure sign that the original theory is either incorrect or too simple to be of much use in practice.

Of course coming up with my own theories can be a very rewarding/satisfying activity and it's something I enjoy doing, regardless of whether I have the will or means to test it. There's really no fault as long as you're willing to abandon your theory in favor of a different theory if the evidence points somewhere else.



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06 Sep 2010, 9:05 am

Also, should be note that the theory of Crespi & Badcock is NOT that "schizophrenia is extreme female brain"; it is "children with schizotypal tendencies require less resources from the mothers".

According to them, schizophrenia usually occurs when the psychotic/schizoypal genes, transmitted by maternal line, are inherited by a man.

EDIT - reading better their paper, they really think that schizotypy /psychosos is a kind of extreme female brain; forget what I wrote above



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09 Sep 2010, 1:54 am

autism and schizophrenia share some symptoms. this test has nothing to do with the topic either. only the cluster A personality disorders are related to schizophrenia. the rest are things of their own. Borderline PD has nothing to do with psychosis. schizotypal is the closest one to mild psychosis.



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09 Sep 2010, 9:11 am

I take this test every couple of months and I get different results each time. Here's the result for today:

Disorder | Rating
Paranoid: High
Schizoid: Low
Schizotypal: High
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Moderate
Histrionic: High
Narcissistic: Moderate
Avoidant: Very High
Dependent: Moderate
Obsessive-Compulsive: Low

I've been diagnosed with AS, by the way. I disagree that paranoia is the "opposite" of AS, because it makes sense that someone who is prone to getting bullied (such as someone with AS) would eventually become leery of other people.



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09 Sep 2010, 2:39 pm

Paranoid: Low
Schizoid: Very High
Schizotypal: High
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Low
Narcissistic: Low
Avoidant: Moderate
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: Low

Diagnosed as having aspergic thinking. High self awareness, non debilitating.



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09 Apr 2011, 1:48 pm

I question the utility of the test as well.

It has the feel of being a 'marketing' site but I may be wrong in that perception.


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09 Apr 2011, 2:02 pm

Paranoid: Low
Schizoid: Low
Schizotypal: Moderate
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Moderate
Histrionic: Low
Narcissistic: Low
Avoidant: Moderate
Dependent: Moderate
Obsessive-Compulsive: Moderate


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09 Apr 2011, 2:08 pm

I am definitely autistic, and definitely not masculine, so no, I don't agree with that. I am also not schizophrenic.



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09 Apr 2011, 2:10 pm

Of course, according to that article, I do have a "male brain" according to his definition. On a test I took before to measure one's empathy and systemizing, I was an extreme systemizer. Still, I don't feel masculine, so I guess I don't like that term.



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09 Apr 2011, 2:17 pm

Disorder | Rating
Paranoid: Moderate
Schizoid: Moderate
Schizotypal: Moderate
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Moderate
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: Low
Avoidant: Very High
Dependent: Moderate
Obsessive-Compulsive: High



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09 Apr 2011, 3:32 pm

Paranoid: Very High
Schizoid: Moderate
Schizotypal: High
Antisocial: High
Borderline: Very High
Histrionic: High
Narcissistic: Very High
Avoidant: Very High
Dependent: High
Obsessive-Compulsive: High


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09 Apr 2011, 3:39 pm

I don't fit how he describes the "extreme male brain" and I feel like a girl rather than a boy.


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09 Apr 2011, 4:28 pm

Paranoid: Very High
Schizoid: Very High
Schizotypal:Very High
Antisocial:moderate
Borderline:low
Histrionic:low
Narcissistic:moderate
avoidant:high
dependant:moderate
obsessive compulsive:high



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09 Apr 2011, 10:09 pm

Disorder | Rating
Paranoid: Moderate
Schizoid: Moderate
Schizotypal: High
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Moderate
Histrionic: High
Narcissistic: Low
Avoidant: Moderate
Dependent: High
Obsessive-Compulsive: High



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09 Apr 2011, 11:58 pm

Paranoid: Very High
Schizoid: Moderate
Schizotypal: Moderate
Antisocial: Moderate
Borderline: Moderate
Histrionic: High
Narcissistic: High
Avoidant: Very High
Dependent: Very High
Obsessive-Compulsive: High

I'd rate this test as inaccurate. I'm not overly paranoid, but extremely anti social. Not very dependent either - I don't need people.